To think that Adam White should have never been sent to prison and we're way too soft on career criminals!

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I watched 24 Hours in Police Custody on catch up. A father and husband, a completely law abiding tax payer was chasing after two career criminals who had tried to burgle his garage, where he kept thousands of £ worth of tools he needed for work.

Adam White and the two thugs were in an RTC, the thugs were injured and Adam was sentenced to 22 months in prison for GBH. He lost his life savings, his job and his wife had an abortion because she wouldn't have been able to support a new baby and their two existing children whilst he was in prison.

The two thugs received community service...

Here's a link to the full story www.lbc.co.uk/news/adam-white-24-hours-in-police-custody-backlash-fund-raised-crooks-avoid-jail/

Yes he probably shouldn't have chased after the thugs, but he didn't actually intend to harm anyone. Violent domestic abusers and career criminals seem to escape prison sentences all the time, yet a hardworking father had a custodial sentence to set an example.

I feel so sorry for Adam and his wife, especially since they had to make the heartbreaking decision to end her pregnancy due to all this.

@Branleuse yes but dd he hope to just catch them somehow in a moment of madness as opposed to run them off the road on purpose? I have no idea

@Thebestwaytoscareatory ai don't align myself with anyone either , I have my own thoughts .

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I didn't see the Episode so can't say if he ran them off the road or gave chase to try and catch them, but he got prison they never, they were armed with things that could be weapons and were entering a house with children etc yet that wasn't taken in account

He was charged with a moving traffic offence, namely causing serious injury by dangerous driving. The who and the why of those that were injured isn't relevant with such a charge. Any mitigating circumstances could be taken into account in sentencing.
And they didn't actually get chance to attempt to get in, he disturbed them as they were checking it out. Also they were after his motorcycle, which was in the garage not the house.

People like me are the cause of increasing crime?

People like me, who want to tackle the root cause, properly fund and resource the justice system, and help stop offenders from reoffending through rehabilitation are the cause. Who knew!?

And here's me thinking it's the people who've systematically underfunding and destroyed the justice system over the last decade or so that shouldered that responsibility.

Silly old me.

The first time you @'ed me you said "some just don't want to change no matter what do gooders think who never ever spoken to anyone like this."

So you assumed that a) I was a "do gooder" (whatever that is) and b) I'd never spoken with someone who was hardened criminal, both of which are wrong tbh.

You've also assumed I have a caring nature, but that's only half true. There's many many people I'd love to help but equally there's just as many who I'd gladly watch drown, hell I'd even push more than a few in to be quite honest.

@Laughingravy oh thats ok them if they were only after his motorbike as im surd he knew that

@Thebestwaytoscareatory you chose to take it personally i never said or assumed who you had spoken to , you could be anyone behind a screen.

Rehabilitation doesn't work, crime has only risen since it became a thing. Prison should be hard and cruel. People shouldn't want to go there. The best way to stop criminals reoffending is to stop them committing more crimes is by keeping them locked up for life, or bringing back capital punishment. But the people who care so much about "stopping offenders from reoffending" will never agree to that because there's no money in it for them.

It was you who, having not even watched the programme, mentioned they 'were entering a house with children etc'. He had a CCTV set up, was still up and saw them on his drive.

And it was he, not me, who surmised they were after the bike because they came with bolt croppers, he'd just advertised it for sale and he'd given one 'buyer' his postcode. The two thieves said nothing until they plead guilty just before their court appearance.

It’s not prison that deters career criminals, it’s the likelihood of being caught. This would be the case however cruel prisons were.

Erm.

I was obviously talking about the burglary vs going equipped. It is different.

However, if you look at prison stats, since you want to talk about childhood, it is often a case for many. Also literacy issues. Also, the lack of support in and after prison to help prevent re offending. Prison serves, or is supposed to serve, 3 purposes. Not just punishment.

I would like to remind everyone who thinks we should have waaaaay harsher punishments and those who think it should be more than just prison and that cracked skull still isn't enough punishment, that half a uk is currently screetching about Qatar and human rights but at the same time seem to want their crime rate and punishments.
Pick one, superior but "soft", barbar but "hard".😂

@Cheesuswithallama its not comparable to quatar and cracked skull wasn't punishment issues by the courts, community service was
Same for the person who burgled us , despite having been convicted numerous times, i had to watch him walk passed my house day after day as did my kids, but thats ok as victims are less important to some
Some just don't want to change and have had plenty of help, prison should be tougher and a place people don't want to go. Not talking physical abuse etc ,
We have huge crime issue that isn't being tackled

@Laughingravy the garage is on the property as well so yes entering his property , even if just the front garden they were entering for the wrong reasons. Lets not make excuses for them, theft is theft whatever.

It made be wonder what he has that's so valuable with the cctv in and outside his home. I sometimes think it draws more attention and that you are protecting something.

Either that or as he's an electrician he could do the job easily and cheaply.

Maybe his work tools outside his family inside?
Are you actually victim blaming here with the 'oooo he's got cctv, he must be hiding something or up to something'?
Although I suppose it would be better for the little shits that tried to break in as they then could have stuck to full victim 'I'm so innocent me' crap!

@Tirrrrred there was a guy in the programme, that lived near the crash, who'd had his van broken into 7 times in the past year. I'm guessing that's why he had CCTV.

Ah yes I guess!!!

Apologies @Tirrrrred if you didn't mean that, am sick and tired of it when it always seems to be the victims fault for having things that seems to be seen as 'asking for it' don't have nice phone/bag/shoes/car etc as if people see it and mug/steal you've only yourself to blame.. so it annoys me!

It isn't tackled because everything is underfunded to a point of it being there just in name. Prisons are not pleasant places. They are tough. And breeding ground for gangs.

What do people imagine the punishments should be then?

I am also victim of repetaed crimes. Yet I still manage to understand that crashing car into someone you followed should obviously lead to prison sentence.

Prisons are not pleasant places is that not a given? Why should they be? And what's underfunded? Why does it need money to make people see that stealing and violence and crime is unacceptable? Is that not just yet another way of saying 'it's someone else's fault we did this, they didn't spend enough telling us not to'?

It was an absolute moment of madness that lasted for more than a moment think (it was 5 mins or so) on Adams part however he pursued the guys for some time after they had left his property, they had not actually taken anything and he was unaware that they were repeat offenders so that couldn't have been factored into his decision making. I was surprised at a custodial sentence I did think a suspended sentence would have been appropriate.
As for the other two thugs on paper attempted burglery doesn't carry a very long stretch and it would have been a headache to accommodate them with their injuries for the prison, the officers and would have cost a fortune in escorted hospital visits etc. These type of people bounce in and out of prison with little affect on their lives, they know how to work the system but I can assure you the Police would love to see them banged up permanently but, the law makers, CPS, courts, overcrowding and costs of custodial sentences it's usually reserved for the most serious of crimes.

I didn't say they should be lovely pleasant places.😐 Some people here are twisting their nickers based on very little information they actually have.
If I remember correctly from couple of years ago, uk has one of the biggest reoffending rates in Europe? Happy to be corrected!

Putting people in prison where they meet even worse people, then throwing them on back into the same shite they went to prison from, sorts nothing.

I will be very blunt here and say that if most didn't hear about the abortion or his family, just him, most would be "oh yeah totes prison time".

I agree that he shouldn't have chased them, but.......
I understand why he did. We were once burgled during the night. I woke up in the night for the toilet and as I walked out of my bedroom, I screamed because two burglars were in my hallway.
We live in a bungalow and they were literally outside my bedroom door.
My husband shot out of bed, not knowing why I was screaming.
He chased them down the street, completely naked.
My husband isn't a violent man but I'm glad he didn't catch hold of them because I would probably have been visiting him in prison.
He said afterwards that he didn't think about the dangers and couldn't even account for his reaction, he just saw a terrified wife and a red mist descended.
It doesn't make it right I know, but I'm just telling it from a victims side.
Prior to that we'd had our garage broken into and stuff stolen, our garden shed broken into and all the gardening tools stolen, my car broken into and the cd player stolen and finally, my car stolen, all over the period of a couple of years.

We have the highest reoffending rates because criminals have little to no fear of being caught, and even if they are caught, they don't fear prison at all.

Putting people in prison where they meet even worse people, then throwing them on back into the same shite they went to prison from, sorts nothing
I agree, it just makes them even tougher, even angrier. How should we deal with those who will not abide by the rules?
I've never heard any good answers to that question🙁