To think that Adam White should have never been sent to prison and we're way too soft on career criminals!

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I watched 24 Hours in Police Custody on catch up. A father and husband, a completely law abiding tax payer was chasing after two career criminals who had tried to burgle his garage, where he kept thousands of £ worth of tools he needed for work.

Adam White and the two thugs were in an RTC, the thugs were injured and Adam was sentenced to 22 months in prison for GBH. He lost his life savings, his job and his wife had an abortion because she wouldn't have been able to support a new baby and their two existing children whilst he was in prison.

The two thugs received community service...

Here's a link to the full story www.lbc.co.uk/news/adam-white-24-hours-in-police-custody-backlash-fund-raised-crooks-avoid-jail/

Yes he probably shouldn't have chased after the thugs, but he didn't actually intend to harm anyone. Violent domestic abusers and career criminals seem to escape prison sentences all the time, yet a hardworking father had a custodial sentence to set an example.

I feel so sorry for Adam and his wife, especially since they had to make the heartbreaking decision to end her pregnancy due to all this.

You have no idea how you will react to things like this. He should not be in prison for an instinctive response.
I was broken into by a group of men wearing balaclavas and wielding metal pipes/wrenches etc. I was very young and in bed in a T shirt and knickers.
When they came up the stairs I grabbed a bottle, smashed it on my sink and ran at them screaming. Fuck knows how I am alive, my response terrifies me. If I had of attacked one of them I would have got a life sentence if they had tried they could have easily disarmed me, but luckily they ran away.
Until you are threatened in your home you have no idea what you will do.

He wasn't acting in self defence as they were leaving. He wasn't even trying to recover his belongings, since they hadn't succeeded in breaking in. He didn't get in his car and then quickly think better of it, but continued pursuing them.

It's clear that the chase wasn't going to end in a friendly handshake at the side of the road. Adam was driving towards either a fight, a crash with the burglars, or a crash with an innocent member of the public. With any of these endings, he was going to injure someone or worse. It's right that he was jailed.

I think the burglars got off too lightly, but that doesn't make Adam's sentence wrong.

No, you wouldn't have got a life sentence, because that was justifiable self defence.

Getting in your car and driving for some minutes before running two people over is not an instinctive reaction, or self defence.

Yes, Adam’s children were in the house when these men tried to break in with a crowbar. I don’t blame him for being angry. I guess the only thing to say is that a car chase could have ended in the death of a bystander. No idea though why the burglars who were breaking into a house with children present and who were also clearly driving dangerously got off so lightly.

Ps @badbaduncle Well done on your response! Good for you!

Exactly this.

It makes major difference. It is planned, you cannot claim you did in all of that time not realise what you are doing.

If they were inside the house, it's COMPLETELY different story.

Yes, I was mugged and ended up chasing the guy down the street. I wouldn’t have guessed I would do that, but instinctive kicked in, and it wasn't as though I'd asked to be put into that flight or fight (or freeze) situation. (Of course the police didn't catch the guy who mugged me.)
I don't believe in vigilantism but I've some sympathy for this bloke, and I do frequently wonder at the very lenient sentences given out for other crimes. This guy
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Natalie_Connolly
was released after 22 months.
The scum who sexually assaulted and murdered Zara Aleena was a career criminal who had been out on license for 9 days, and should have been recalled to prison 2 days before he killed her.
I can see why, when faith breaks down in the police and the justice system, and when instinct kicks in, things like this happen.

I watched horrified. Luckily most people see the injustice and a huge amount has been donated via a just giving page. It broke my heart watching those disgusting little scumbags gloating.

It is hard to see where sentencing comes from some times. Lots of people citing "but he could have killed someone" - the fact is he didn't.
This lorry driver with a previous conviction for careless driving was given 7 months for killing a cyclist - there was no question raised about the fact that the Lorry driver was to blame -
www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/face-lorry-driver-who-killed-7475611

It is hard to see where sentencing comes from some times.

There are sentencing guidelines. It's not just plucked from the air luckily

So you know how our justice system works, right? Everybody has a right to a legal defence. Doesn't mean the lawyers like them or support their cause, it's their actual job. There are plenty of countries you can push off to where there isn't a presumption of innocence and a right to a fair trial, you might be happier there.

And the lorry driver, while a twat, didn't follow the cyclist with intent. It was, twat caused, accident.

He didnt need to chase them, that was ultimately what it came down to. He clearly didn't mean to hurt them, and I do feel a lot of sympathy for him but sadly he let the red mist rule his behaviour.

I would say though, I thought he'd get a suspended sentence and the criminals would go to jail! The fact they got a slap on the wrist in comparison was ridiculous. Had they not been there in the first place, trying to rob him, this never would have happened.

They got a slap on the wrist in comparison because their crime was minimal in comparison. They didn't succeed in stealing anything. But White did succeed in causing serious injury.

He could of killed someone
Adam didn't though, did he?
Same as those 2 career criminals, when they were driving that stolen motorbike at speed, without insurance. Or the times they were out before this.

sirius3030 I’m going to assume you haven’t read any of my other posts…

Yanbu at all. He suffered enough without being subjected to 22 months in prison

I agree with those saying you can’t have vigilantism and unfortunately his sentence is probably right.

However I have been the victim of 4 burglaries. On the most recent 2, the police didn’t even bother to come out (no criticism of individual officers, but the system). I think we will see a rise in vigilantes if people feel the police won’t give a shit.

I felt really sorry for him.

He should have had a suspended sentence

’You have no idea how you will react to things like this. He should not be in prison for an instinctive response.’

I agree that he reacted in the heat of the moment but that doesn’t mean that he should be protected from the consequences of his actions. He’s in prison because he caused serious injury. Driving a car recklessly and causing serious injury is a crime. You might throw a single punch as an instinctive response. If the person you punched gets a bloody nose, you might not even be charged. If the person you punched suffers brain damage you will end up in court and probably prison.

I can totally see why he reacted the way he did. Two tradesmen we use regularly have had their vehicles broken into and the tools they need for their livelihoods stolen. It’s caused serious financial hardship, lost them business and in both cases (as here) the vehicles used by the thieves were stolen so there was no way to trace them even though they were caught on camera. It’s very unfair that the criminals are free and he is in prison but I don’t think it’s wrong that he’s in prison.

I think all three of them should have gone to jail

We need to see this as two separate incidents. One was causing serious injury by dangerous driving and the other attempted burglary.

In the case of the dangerous driving I do think the sentence was harsh. However, unlike causing death or serious injury through inattention, he had set off on a mission. Sure he didn't really know what he'd do if he caught them, possibly run them off the road anyway. In the end he hit the curb and connected with their motorcycle as it was braking hard propelling them into the car. Given where his Merc ended up he was travelling at some speed. In these cases the who and why of the victims isn't that relevant.
What I didn't quite get was him repeatedly saying he didn't realise how tight the bend was - given it was no great distance from his home that doesn't ad up.

As for the other two you have to ask why they were at liberty at all. While I hesitate to go as far as the three strikes and you're out system operating in some US states some of the sentencing of career criminals is neither a deterrent nor protecting the public, it isn't even taken seriously by them. Repeat offending should have serious consequences and it simply doesn't.

I also hold a small cup of contempt for whichever law firm whispered in this pair of miscreants' ears that there's possibly compo to be had. It's to be hoped it is dismissed by the judge because they were on a stolen bike and one didn't wear a helmet.

I can recommend reading The Secret Barrister, which lifts the lid on just how much of mess our justice system is in.

I don't know if it's been said already, haven't RTFT yet but the two on the bike would need to not go before the courts whilst the suspended sentence is running in order to not go to prison for the attempted burglary. Given their criminal histories it would seem unlikely they'll manage this so will probably do their time eventually! I have worked in the justice sector with many youths like these and I do feel that they ought to have served a custodial sentence on the basis that they went equipped for theft but also equipped to cause harm, my blood ran cold watching Adam's CCTV footage, Also the chances of them complying with community supervision and paying fines are likely very slim so I expect they feel they've got away with it at least from a criminal justice system perspective. I do think it was right that Adam was given a custodial sentence but think it should have been suspended. Maybe they felt they'd already been nice enough for not charging him with GBH. It's all very sad.

Sentencing guidelines allow for a much stiffer sentence for b&e than a flipping suspended sentence. They should have gotten the max. As should every burglar.