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To think that Adam White should have never been sent to prison and we're way too soft on career criminals!

230 replies

Unicornenthusiast · 30/11/2022 12:15

I watched 24 Hours in Police Custody on catch up. A father and husband, a completely law abiding tax payer was chasing after two career criminals who had tried to burgle his garage, where he kept thousands of £ worth of tools he needed for work.

Adam White and the two thugs were in an RTC, the thugs were injured and Adam was sentenced to 22 months in prison for GBH. He lost his life savings, his job and his wife had an abortion because she wouldn't have been able to support a new baby and their two existing children whilst he was in prison.

The two thugs received community service...

Here's a link to the full story www.lbc.co.uk/news/adam-white-24-hours-in-police-custody-backlash-fund-raised-crooks-avoid-jail/

Yes he probably shouldn't have chased after the thugs, but he didn't actually intend to harm anyone. Violent domestic abusers and career criminals seem to escape prison sentences all the time, yet a hardworking father had a custodial sentence to set an example.

I feel so sorry for Adam and his wife, especially since they had to make the heartbreaking decision to end her pregnancy due to all this.

OP posts:
Quveas · 30/11/2022 12:58

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 30/11/2022 12:51

’put up or shut up’ 😂😂 ah that made me laugh I’ve not heard that saying for years!

I guess that means you can't.

astronewt · 30/11/2022 12:58

No. No. No.

Your line of thinking is exactly how we move back towards a world in which you can lynch a Black man for being accused of assaulting a white woman and the law will quietly look the other way, because you're a "good hardworking honest person" and everyone knows black people are shifty and violent and dangerous.

Remember the name Emmett Till? Because you should. The fourteen-year-old boy who was beaten, shot, and dumped in the river because he was accused of flirting with a white woman and his murderers were acquitted. That's what you're endorsing. More Emmett Tills.

intervie · 30/11/2022 12:59

Don't drag race into it

burnoutbabe · 30/11/2022 12:59

the issue of sentencing of the 2 other men is a seperate topic (and does seem strange)

But a dangerous driver - who was 5 mins from his house when this happened - not 100m down the road - should be prosecuted. he was dangerous and he crashed into 2 people, causing them indjuries and causing a ton of property damage to other cars/walls. he was lucky he didn't kill anyone (passers by)

Georgeskitchen · 30/11/2022 13:00

@AlfredBasedman indeed.
Along with prancing around doing the macarena sporting their rainbow laces!!

someonecookmydinnerplease · 30/11/2022 13:00

@AlfredBasedman "
Britain’s police force seems to have enough time and resources to go after people for expressing controversial opinions online"

You do realise that the police do sit there trawling social media looking for stuff to investigate , they have to investigate what is reported to them, whether that's a burglary, rape, or report of malicious communications or whatever the online opinion is THAT SOMEONE PHONED UP AND REPORTED. The issue with the online stuff is that so many people think the police can win their argument for them if they report someone saying something mean online. It takes up A LOT of police hours.

astronewt · 30/11/2022 13:03

intervie · 30/11/2022 12:59

Don't drag race into it

Race (and class and nationality and gender) have everything to do with it, always.

The point of view OP is endorsing is identical to the point of view of the jurors who acquitted men who freely admitted to torturing and murdering a 14yo boy; he was a "scrote" and they were "hardworking people" who were "protecting their family".

someonecookmydinnerplease · 30/11/2022 13:04

Fucking auto correct. Police do not trawl social media..

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 30/11/2022 13:04

Oh sorry quevas it just made me laugh as my late nan used to yell it at me every Tuesday when I was moaning at her cornbeef hash 🤢

cleanfreak12345 · 30/11/2022 13:06

The judge always has to send out a message, that is that you can't ram a motorbike off the road with a big SUV

if it was condoned, other's would follow

I agree that the burglars have pretty much got away Scott free which is usually the case. Career criminals with no plans to ever change

I feel for the Smith's but a line was crossed when Adam started his car and chased after them, no need to leave the house, safest place is to stay and call the police but that's hindsight

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 13:06

Maybe it’s time for freedom of speech to be guaranteed in our law so police don’t have to pander to the pronoun crew

Brefugee · 30/11/2022 13:08

the minute he left his property he was vastly out of order and that is why he was jailed.

It seems daft that career criminals aren't behind bars.

Both of these statements can be true at the same time.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 30/11/2022 13:09

I think the fact that people are so angry over Adam Whites sentence is testament to how disillusioned the vast majority of people feel with the police service and the courts. I don’t think most people would chase burglars in this way. These crimes sadly happen everyday and very rarely do we hear about vigilantes. The outcry over Adam White is proof as to how sick people are of feeling that they come second to a burglar.

Unicornenthusiast · 30/11/2022 13:14

@astronewt I'm not sure if there's even a point in replying here.

Adam White saw the burglars on home CCTV, he saw exactly what they were trying to do, which is completely different from the tragedy of what happened to Emmett Till.

Moreover, you seemed to insinuate that giving proper custodial sentences to career criminals with existing criminal records makes us what, racist?

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intervie · 30/11/2022 13:16

All three of them should have been given custodial sentences, I don't understand how anyone could disagree with that.

The unfairness of the Adam White situation is that they got off

Cheesuswithallama · 30/11/2022 13:17

Brefugee · 30/11/2022 13:08

the minute he left his property he was vastly out of order and that is why he was jailed.

It seems daft that career criminals aren't behind bars.

Both of these statements can be true at the same time.

Exactly. He endangered people. He caused GBH with intention to cause some serious harm (otherwise why chase).

The two others should also have proper sentences and yes, it is frustrating when they don't, but that doesn't mean we can all go out and play Batman...

hattie43 · 30/11/2022 13:19

Made me so angry watching that program, those career criminals get off and the home owner goes to jail .
If ever anything makes you realise the law is an ass it's this.

Bellesboy1218 · 30/11/2022 13:19

I think the light sentences given to the burglars is where the outrage should be directed. Both offenders had a long criminal history ranging back to their youth but seemed to get off very lightly

Fleabigg · 30/11/2022 13:20

I think they all should have been jailed tbh.

Cheesuswithallama · 30/11/2022 13:22

I wouldn't say cracked skull is getting off....

Tirrrrred · 30/11/2022 13:27

These nobs do this for a living. Why should they go out to work all week when they can get things for free. These are career criminals. They set out to rob .

Adam didn't plan this. When you're in shock and panic mode who knows what you will do? It's like when people risk their lives to jump onto a train track or into water to save someone, only after they think well that was stupid!!

WilmaFlintstone1 · 30/11/2022 13:27

intervie · 30/11/2022 13:16

All three of them should have been given custodial sentences, I don't understand how anyone could disagree with that.

The unfairness of the Adam White situation is that they got off

What did the two crappy little shits do apart from trespass on his driveway? Did they cause criminal damage? Did they steal anything? If so then yes they deserved a custodial sentence.
However, if what they did was just look to see if they could break in then it’s not great but hardly an offence to lock them up for…..although I’d welcome career criminals being locked up until they can show they are productive members of society.

He made a huge error of judgement going after them.
They are career criminals who will have learned nothing.

I would be highly unhappy if his driving had killed an innocent member of the public as it could have done given he was driving so recklessly.

Anyway a GoFund me has been set up for him..go contribute and encourage his actions. …but I hope it’s a member of YOUR family he injures or kills if he does it again or if someone else does because they are encouraged by the response to him.

Fed up with people too thick to realise where vigilantism leads.

MintyFreshOne · 30/11/2022 13:27

astronewt · 30/11/2022 12:58

No. No. No.

Your line of thinking is exactly how we move back towards a world in which you can lynch a Black man for being accused of assaulting a white woman and the law will quietly look the other way, because you're a "good hardworking honest person" and everyone knows black people are shifty and violent and dangerous.

Remember the name Emmett Till? Because you should. The fourteen-year-old boy who was beaten, shot, and dumped in the river because he was accused of flirting with a white woman and his murderers were acquitted. That's what you're endorsing. More Emmett Tills.

You do know that those men were acquitted? Maybe a good case for vigilante justice since they never got any justice for his murder

intervie · 30/11/2022 13:29

I didn't agree with vigilantism... so I don't know why you're wishing ill on my family? Weird.

intervie · 30/11/2022 13:29

@WilmaFlintstone1