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Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 13:16

In real life I know I am regarded as calm and assertive. In lots of way I am definitely able to speak up for myself.

However CFs get right under my skin. I am a fairly generous person, I like to treat people and it leaves me feeling good. 99% of the time any financial deficit is negligible in friendships, I certainly never notice it.

Except of course for the one I started the thread about. This friendship spans decades. She is a shameless CF. I genuinely think I love but heavily dislike her. It's exhausting being around her because I always have to be on guard for being scammed into paying for something.

I continue to do nothing about it except carry all the resentment by quietly seething. Pathetic yes, I know.

Inspired by this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4687359-lift-for-5-years-aibu?utm_source=thread&utm_medium=share can you please share with me your victory stories of how you finally called out the CFs in your lives and came away feeling good about it?

OP posts:
Tsort · 29/11/2022 13:25

Are you going to share your story?

skilpadde · 29/11/2022 13:30

You first, OP.

LovingTheAbbreviations · 29/11/2022 13:56

Do you know, I honestly can't think of a CF in my life...I'm thinking now maybe I am the CF!!! ARGHHHH!

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:04

But that's the point, I haven't got there yet. I just swallow it up and seethe. It's going on for decades and it never seems that this coffee, lift, bottle of wine should be the one to merit a fallout.

It's an ongoing thing - the bill will come after she's previously offered to pay and she will excuse herself for a fag, a phonecall, the bathroom. I'll wait it out then finally call her over, she will faux innocently say "how much is my half" then already completely exasperated will throw down my half.

There are hundreds of stories and it always ends up the same way.

The odd time I've steeled myself to not allow it ends up being even more annoying as I'm constantly on guard.

One summer friends of ours threw a big bash. They often do this at the end of the summer, they have a big house by a lake in a remote part of the country. The parties are always casual; first come first served parents and kids get given priority in the form of a bedroom in the house, anyone else throws a tent up in the garden, stays in their campervan or if that doesn't work books into the local hotel and gets a taxi.

Everyone brings their own booze but it gets shared too, making cocktails etc. The hosts do a big BBQ (they are incredible cooks), everybody takes salads and there is always a whiparound the next day to make a financial contribution by way of thanks.

I had recovered from a serious illness earlier that year so the hosts asked me if I'd like to bring an airbed and set up a station in the loft away from everyone else. I was delighted and arranged to borrow my mother's as she had a really good one.

I was travelling on public transport and this all required about six hours bus time without collecting the airbed. My last one hour travel leg coincided with CF and we had arranged to travel together.

I've been travelling a few hours already when a mutual friend phones and sheepishly informs me she's sorry but there isn't enough room in the car for me only CF as they have all the kiddie things too. I'm confused as we had no arrangement but it turns out CF had negotiated a lift but not told me. No problem I was getting the bus anyway. Mutual friend then offers to collect my mum's airbed as it's on their way. I am surprised she had heard I was originally bringing an airbed and tell her that I reconsidered and have decided to book the hotel, it's really good value and I'm looking forward to a bit of metime, hotel breakfast and all that. The medication I'm on has some difficult side effects and I want the quiet room. Everyone knows about this. Mutual friend hangs up after saying she's looking forward to seeing me out and about at the party.

Bear in mind CF hadn't told me she wouldn't be at the bus or mentioned my airbed. In fact I haven't heard from her at all for a few days.

I get a text message from CF demanding to know why I'm no longer taking the airbed along as she was going to share with me and now she has nowhere to stay.

I'm stunned and ignore. Mutual friend arrives at hotel after me with her husband and child. They are staying there too. We are checking in and getting ready for the party. They explain they had to deliver CF straight to party as she was being pretty clear she intended to 'bunk in' with me seeing as I'm so rich i can throw money at hotel rooms. I haven't been able to work for almost a year at this stage.

I go to the party, the experience now a bit soured. I've taken two bottles of spirits, one to donate and one to keep. CF tries to take the donated one but I say no sorry it's a gift for the hosts. She scowls. The next five hours she then doesn't leave my side and every time I pour myself or anyone a drink she's asking can she have one too. I had about four small measures out of the bottle all day but was getting agitated that I didn't seem to be given a choice about who I offered it to.

After many hours of this I realised I wasn't even enjoying myself so I get up to leave. She tells me again she has no place to sleep, I pretend to be loudly surprised then there's a big flurry of people trying to locate a tent for her. She won't say bye to me as the accusation is implicit - I'm leaving her stranded.

A tent gets erected while I'm waiting for my taxi and bedding is produced. I find out later she slept in one of the bedrooms.

So even though I said no to everything, it was more effort than giving in and saying oh listen you can share my hotel room, they won't know.

OP posts:
KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:10

So even though I said no to everything, it was more effort than giving in and saying oh listen you can share my hotel room, they won't know.

But you didn't say no to everything.

You allowed her to soak up your booze on demand, you allowed her to dictate who you were allowed to give YOUR booze to, you did not call her out over her expectation of stealing your lift, sharing your airbed, or even rocking up at your hotel room ...(your mutual friend did that part for you).

This is why she keeps taking the piss.
If you just told her to fuck off with her grabbiness & entitlement, she'd soon stop.
What's preventing you? - she sounds exhausting, it's not like you can even relax & have fun while she's around. So there's no reason to worry about pissing her off.

Theunamedcat · 29/11/2022 14:25

I have one lives literally around the corner she like me has a chronic illness she wants a lift to school I say ok I'm leaving at two thirty she said I don't need to be there till gone three we need to leave later I say I need to be there for three well can't ds wait? Ummm no? I'm not going to be ready for two thirty 😕 well that's when I'm leaving so?? She finally conceeded to a lift but demanded I pick her up....so she wanted me to drive less than 100yards down the road turn into her road pull up on her driveway and pick her up (clearly trying to waste time so she won't be so early) I showed up at ten past two got her and now her friend in my car drove to school they fucked off with a cheery thanks mate and I'm left thinking WTF ?

No I didn't repeat the experience I actively ignore her messages around school run time

Sweepies · 29/11/2022 14:30

I do graphic design and as such sadly deal with CF's regularly. I already price my work prettly cheaply as it's more of a side hobby along with my regular job in marketing, but I've had people straight up ask for logos for their business or custom artwork/digital paintings for free and act confused when I tell them, no, I don't work for free. They don't understand it takes hours of my time and a lot seem to think it's just a case of pressing a few buttons on a computer. :(

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:32

@KettrickenSmiled you are right and it seems so easy but all those suggestions you've made are so tricky in the social situations. We were in our friends' house. I didn't want to start a row which is what it would have been.

She's like this with everyone, it's how she operates her life. She's currently living for free in a prime location while she earns and claims benefits.

Did you read the post I linked to in my op?

I would love to hear more of those stories.

OP posts:
Tsort · 29/11/2022 14:33

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:04

But that's the point, I haven't got there yet. I just swallow it up and seethe. It's going on for decades and it never seems that this coffee, lift, bottle of wine should be the one to merit a fallout.

It's an ongoing thing - the bill will come after she's previously offered to pay and she will excuse herself for a fag, a phonecall, the bathroom. I'll wait it out then finally call her over, she will faux innocently say "how much is my half" then already completely exasperated will throw down my half.

There are hundreds of stories and it always ends up the same way.

The odd time I've steeled myself to not allow it ends up being even more annoying as I'm constantly on guard.

One summer friends of ours threw a big bash. They often do this at the end of the summer, they have a big house by a lake in a remote part of the country. The parties are always casual; first come first served parents and kids get given priority in the form of a bedroom in the house, anyone else throws a tent up in the garden, stays in their campervan or if that doesn't work books into the local hotel and gets a taxi.

Everyone brings their own booze but it gets shared too, making cocktails etc. The hosts do a big BBQ (they are incredible cooks), everybody takes salads and there is always a whiparound the next day to make a financial contribution by way of thanks.

I had recovered from a serious illness earlier that year so the hosts asked me if I'd like to bring an airbed and set up a station in the loft away from everyone else. I was delighted and arranged to borrow my mother's as she had a really good one.

I was travelling on public transport and this all required about six hours bus time without collecting the airbed. My last one hour travel leg coincided with CF and we had arranged to travel together.

I've been travelling a few hours already when a mutual friend phones and sheepishly informs me she's sorry but there isn't enough room in the car for me only CF as they have all the kiddie things too. I'm confused as we had no arrangement but it turns out CF had negotiated a lift but not told me. No problem I was getting the bus anyway. Mutual friend then offers to collect my mum's airbed as it's on their way. I am surprised she had heard I was originally bringing an airbed and tell her that I reconsidered and have decided to book the hotel, it's really good value and I'm looking forward to a bit of metime, hotel breakfast and all that. The medication I'm on has some difficult side effects and I want the quiet room. Everyone knows about this. Mutual friend hangs up after saying she's looking forward to seeing me out and about at the party.

Bear in mind CF hadn't told me she wouldn't be at the bus or mentioned my airbed. In fact I haven't heard from her at all for a few days.

I get a text message from CF demanding to know why I'm no longer taking the airbed along as she was going to share with me and now she has nowhere to stay.

I'm stunned and ignore. Mutual friend arrives at hotel after me with her husband and child. They are staying there too. We are checking in and getting ready for the party. They explain they had to deliver CF straight to party as she was being pretty clear she intended to 'bunk in' with me seeing as I'm so rich i can throw money at hotel rooms. I haven't been able to work for almost a year at this stage.

I go to the party, the experience now a bit soured. I've taken two bottles of spirits, one to donate and one to keep. CF tries to take the donated one but I say no sorry it's a gift for the hosts. She scowls. The next five hours she then doesn't leave my side and every time I pour myself or anyone a drink she's asking can she have one too. I had about four small measures out of the bottle all day but was getting agitated that I didn't seem to be given a choice about who I offered it to.

After many hours of this I realised I wasn't even enjoying myself so I get up to leave. She tells me again she has no place to sleep, I pretend to be loudly surprised then there's a big flurry of people trying to locate a tent for her. She won't say bye to me as the accusation is implicit - I'm leaving her stranded.

A tent gets erected while I'm waiting for my taxi and bedding is produced. I find out later she slept in one of the bedrooms.

So even though I said no to everything, it was more effort than giving in and saying oh listen you can share my hotel room, they won't know.

So even though I said no to everything, it was more effort than giving in and saying oh listen you can share my hotel room, they won't know.

You didn’t, though, did you? Stop being so bloody wet and stand up for yourself! What on Earth is the matter with you?!

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:37

Sweepies · 29/11/2022 14:30

I do graphic design and as such sadly deal with CF's regularly. I already price my work prettly cheaply as it's more of a side hobby along with my regular job in marketing, but I've had people straight up ask for logos for their business or custom artwork/digital paintings for free and act confused when I tell them, no, I don't work for free. They don't understand it takes hours of my time and a lot seem to think it's just a case of pressing a few buttons on a computer. :(

@Sweepies - Something tells me you are gonna love this - thenextweb.com/news/funniest-email-conversation

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:40

Dammit @Sweepies - ignore link above, it omits the pie charts, which are vital 😂

See this link instead - 27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:42

But when would you have done that @Tsort ?

Arrive at the party with fifty other people and ask her to step outside saying "I heard you intended to sleep in my hotel room, explain yourself" then a dramatic outburst with other people being dragged in and it being explained with "the girls are rowing about something". It's someone else's house.

Or yes I could have said no to pouring her a drink but really would you do that when you're pouring for the other person sitting at the table and then make them uncomfortable too.

OP posts:
WinterLobelia · 29/11/2022 14:42

Love the pie charts!

Sweepies · 29/11/2022 14:42

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:40

Dammit @Sweepies - ignore link above, it omits the pie charts, which are vital 😂

See this link instead - 27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

Haha omg I know this guy he's hilarious! 😂Not had a read through his website for years, thanks!

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:45

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:32

@KettrickenSmiled you are right and it seems so easy but all those suggestions you've made are so tricky in the social situations. We were in our friends' house. I didn't want to start a row which is what it would have been.

She's like this with everyone, it's how she operates her life. She's currently living for free in a prime location while she earns and claims benefits.

Did you read the post I linked to in my op?

I would love to hear more of those stories.

I understand OP.

So leave it until there is nobody else about socially, then let rip.
I would have no compunction about removing somebody this manipulative, controlling & entitled from my life.
"Fuck off, cheapskate" would probably cover it.
Then, to ANY pushback - "I said fuck off. Are you going to fuck off, or do I need to tell you again?"

Plus, I bet if any of the other people she treats like this happened to be around, they'd be applauding anyone who finally chose to take a stand.

I can't see why you tolerate this specific pain in the arse, if you are assertive in all other areas of life!

WallaceinAnderland · 29/11/2022 14:48

OP that's not a CF, that's you being unable to set boundaries. If you get some help with this, you can change if you want. Or if you prefer, as you seem to state in your post, carry this on for another decade. Up to you really.

PrestonNorthHen · 29/11/2022 14:50

Why on earth do you continue having this person in your life?
Ditch permanently.
She sounds ghastly, stop enabling her.

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:51

You are bang on there @KettrickenSmiled that is exactly what I should have done. The very next day or at least that week. I thought about phoning her and giving her an earful, I didn't do it but carried the irritation around instead. I have distanced myself significantly from her as I'm left annoyed after most meetings.

I know I am 50% responsible for this dynamic as it's gone on so long and I've participated.

OP posts:
harriethoyle · 29/11/2022 14:53

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:40

Dammit @Sweepies - ignore link above, it omits the pie charts, which are vital 😂

See this link instead - 27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

Amazing!

Tsort · 29/11/2022 14:55

Sickofcoughing · 29/11/2022 14:42

But when would you have done that @Tsort ?

Arrive at the party with fifty other people and ask her to step outside saying "I heard you intended to sleep in my hotel room, explain yourself" then a dramatic outburst with other people being dragged in and it being explained with "the girls are rowing about something". It's someone else's house.

Or yes I could have said no to pouring her a drink but really would you do that when you're pouring for the other person sitting at the table and then make them uncomfortable too.

Seriously?

It's an ongoing thing - the bill will come after she's previously offered to pay and she will excuse herself for a fag, a phonecall, the bathroom. I'll wait it out then finally call her over, she will faux innocently say "how much is my half" then already completely exasperated will throw down my half.

Why not just tell her how much her half is? Or remind her that she offered to pay? Or, when she’s excusing herself, say ‘the bill’s coming in a sec, hang on’?


I get a text message from CF demanding to know why I'm no longer taking the airbed along as she was going to share with me and now she has nowhere to stay. I'm stunned and ignore.

This is the point at which you state, clearly, that no such thing was agreed and you don’t appreciate her presumption.

They explain they had to deliver CF straight to party as she was being pretty clear she intended to 'bunk in' with me seeing as I'm so rich i can throw money at hotel rooms. I haven't been able to work for almost a year at this stage.

So, you say, ‘friends, XX never agreed this with me and I have no idea what she’s on about, I haven’t worked in a year!’

I go to the party, the experience now a bit soured. I've taken two bottles of spirits, one to donate and one to keep. CF tries to take the donated one but I say no sorry it's a gift for the hosts. She scowls. The next five hours she then doesn't leave my side and every time I pour myself or anyone a drink she's asking can she have one too. I had about four small measures out of the bottle all day but was getting agitated that I didn't seem to be given a choice about who I offered it to.


‘Please go away, XX, you’ve been following me around for hours!’


After many hours of this I realised I wasn't even enjoying myself so I get up to leave. She tells me again she has no place to sleep

‘Didn’t you sort something out? Bit silly of you not to. What was your plan?’


Why are you so terrified of direct communication? What do you think will
happen?

Sistanotcista · 29/11/2022 14:57

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:40

Dammit @Sweepies - ignore link above, it omits the pie charts, which are vital 😂

See this link instead - 27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

@KettrickenSmiled - this is just brilliant! Thank you so much for sharing. I have laughed until I cried.

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 29/11/2022 14:59

OMG I'd forgotten about him! That man is HILARIOUS. He writes the emails you wish you'd thought of 😂

TinkyWinkyRainbowHead · 29/11/2022 15:03

I offered to sell a laptop for £100 to a friend, sold as seen. She then asked for £20 off as there was something wrong with it so I just agreed. Anyway, she was skint so I said she could pay me back at £10 a week. You guessed it, weeks and weeks went by and not a single penny. Not even a mention of it. After about three months, I finally got £10 and thought that the repayments were starting. Then another couple of months went by and nothing was forthcoming. In the end, I went round to her house, gave her back the tenner and demanded my laptop back. She sheepishly handed over, still claiming that she was ‘going to pay me if I would just wait a bit’ 🤔 😡

whatwasIgoingtosay · 29/11/2022 15:06

I have two CF 'friends' of longstanding. I've managed to get one down to Christmas card only status, and am working on the other one (Christmas card plus occasional e-mails). I suppose it helps that both live a long way away. The reason they've been demoted to Xmas card status is because I decided, after they came, separately, to stay with me, that they would never darken my door again, with their demanding CFery. I won't bore you with the details, but, believe me, they tried to take advantage big-time. I now just ignore or keep things very, very vague when they contact me and they have finally got the message. I don't actually want to say 'fuck off' to someone I've been friendly with in the past, so this suits me fine.

Sadbeigechildren · 29/11/2022 15:10

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 14:37

@Sweepies - Something tells me you are gonna love this - thenextweb.com/news/funniest-email-conversation

That was funny but there really is a Simon Edhouse working in this area with several similarities and it took about two minutes to find his personal address.