Shamima Begum's mother

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I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

If the mum sees this, she’ll probably think how lucky you are to suggest such a ridiculous ‘solution’.

It's blindingly obvious that she is being used as a scapegoat.

Good. Use her as a scapegoat. Hopefully this will help prevent other girls from doing the same thing. Win all round I'd say. 😊

Ps, all the others shouldn't have been let back in either.

@MrsThimbles why do they want to try Samantha Lewthwaite in the UK, but not Shamima Begum?

To be fair this literally was my opinion until I thought about it again today prompted by this thread. She’s dangerous. We can and should remove that danger.

If she’s not going to be jailed indefinitely and will get ‘life’ and be out mid 30s/40s etc to do a host of tv shows and appearances about how she changed her life then that’s different and she shouldn’t come back.

Perhaps that’s why they don’t want her back. They know they don’t have enough evidence to put her away long enough.

So you think it's acceptable for the UK to palm these people off onto poorer countries, rather than taking responsibility for our own citizens?

She said the Manchester bombings were also justified too

I forgot about that. As well as being a nasty piece of work she’s an idiot saying things like that, even if she thinks it, if she’s trying to get back here.

Both of Shamima's parents are back in Bangladesh. Her father agrees with UK government she is still a threat to public safety. Plus she is so hated she would have to be given round the clock security. She could not lead a normal life in UK. Who would employ her? Who would want to be her neighbour/feel safe living next to her. She is so recognisable in UK giving her a new identify would not work. She is better off making a fresh start in Bangladesh where she is less well known and her parents are now too.

Found this online

"On 13 February 2019, The Timeses*^' war correspondent Anthony Loyd found Begum at the al-Hawl refugee camp in Northern Syria. She wanted to return to the UK to raise her child, but did not regret her decision to join ISIL. She said she had been unfazed by seeing the head of a beheaded man as he was "an enemy of Islam", but believes that ISIL did not deserve victory because of their corruption and oppression. When asked if she would be extracted from Syria, Security Minister Ben Wallace said, "I'm not putting at risk British people's lives to go and look for terrorists or former terrorists in a failed state." Three days after Loyd found her, Begum gave birth to a boy.
Begum was interviewed by BBC correspondent Quentin Sommerville on 18 February. During the interview, Begum asked for forgiveness and claimed that she still supports "some British values". She said she was inspired to join ISIL by videos of fighters beheading hostages and also of "the good life" under the group. However, Sommerville noted that she continues to espouse the ISIL ideology and to try to justify its atrocities. When asked about the Manchester Arena bombing, she claimed it was wrong to kill innocent people, but that ISIL considered it justified as retaliation for the coalition bombing of ISIL-held areas. When questioned about rape, enslavement and murder of Yazidi women, she claimed, "Shia do the same in Iraq"."

But in the eyes of international law she is British? We didn't have any legal right to remove her citizenship and render her stateless.

Or do you just not view brown people as British?

It's not an opinion.

If your mother and father are fully British or English etc there is no basis to say you can be stripped of your British citizenship and apply for your parents's one because they themselves are full British.

What the government said here is: If Dysonspheres was born in Britain, but her parents were originally born in Cuba and Dysonspheres commits a serious crime, even if her parents are now naturalised and lived here decades, she can be shipped to Cuba even though she has never held a Cuban passport, only ever had a British one, and never stepped foot on Cuba, so her British citizenship is less 'strong' or robust for lack of a better word.

Child A = Grandparents, parents full British = cannot be stripped of British Passport,

Child B = Born here but parents originally born abroad = can be stripped of British citizenship

Strong citizenship and Weak citizenship.

Two tier citizenship.

which ever way you look at it, she should be back in the UK.

if you think she is a trafficked child then we should be taking care of her, not punishing herif you think she is a dangerous terrorist, she should be here to stand trial/give useful intelligence. she isnt Syria's problem or Bangladesh's. she is Britain's problem

She is better off making a fresh start in Bangladesh where she is less well known and her parents are now too.

Except she's not a Bangladesh citizen and would be executed there.

100% agree

She's never been dual national. She was a British citizen and we made her stateless which is not legal. She's our problem and she needs to be brought back here to face trial. If she had held Bangladeshi citizenship instead of British and they had made her stateless would you be demanding the UK government have her British citizenship? Thought not

She was 16 yo, how many rational decisions did you make at 16?
Areny you lucky they haven’t ruined the rest of your life, she’s been punished, she should come home.

@DysonSpheres it's not legal. SB has never applied for Bangladeshi citizenship. she does not have dual citizenship. she now cannot apply for Bangladeshi citizenship because she has a criminal history. these are normal rules of every country for granting/not granting citizenship. she is a British citizen. Britain are not allowed to removed citizenship and leave a person stateless. the UK acted ilegally

I get what you’re saying OP as if my DD was stuck anywhere and couldn’t return I would want to go and be with her but there are many reasons she can’t, the biggest being it’s for refugees and you can’t just go to a different country and join a refugee camp if you’re not a refugee.

I’m so on the fence with bringing her back.

She was 100% radicalised/groomed/brainwashed just like the girls were in the Rochdale gang, yet no one puts any blame on those girls and they are seen as the victims they are.

Yet this girl who is very obviously a victim too in a very similar way as those girls were but isn’t seen as a victim by the majority.

And in theory she should be treated in the same way as the victims of grooming gangs.

However, many young people are groomed to be in gangs in the UK or become affiliated with ones like ISIS and they are victims as they are preyed upon and manipulated - yet we can’t just say oh it’s ok that he killed 3 people because he was groomed and they also need to take some responsibility, even if they were brainwashed.

I’ve no idea but I suspect it’s because Samantha Lewthwaite is way more high profile than SB and far far more dangerous. There is proof of the atrocities she’s been involved in from the planning of them to the carrying out of them.

There’s really no proof SB did anything more than get on a plane and become a bride of ISIS. But to be very honest there’s something about her that makes me very nervous and I wouldn’t be surprised if further down the line she was headline news again.

@PortiasBiscuit I certainly knew at 16 that chopping peoples heads off was wrong and only sick people can do that. To be attracted to that lifestyle, there has to be something wrong with a person.

they also need to take some responsibility, even if they were brainwashed

Taking responsibility = coming back to the UK and being held to account through due legal process

Her mother is not interested
The UK taxpayer will pay for her for the rest of her life
No company will ever employ her

it's because Samantha Lewthwaite is white and Shamima Begum is brown

Nothing will make me have sympathy for this vile person. She enjoyed her time in Syria and lapped up the violence. Some people are gullible and believe she’s a ‘victim’ but thankfully there are many who don’t.

A fresh start ? Do you really think a country of which she is not a citizen should give a British citizen who was a member of a terrorise group a fresh start ?

Ireland repatriated an Irish citizen who had joined Isis, she was not a minor though, and tried her for membership of and funding a terrorise group. Disgracefully she only got 15 months.

its shocking the British Government have turns it back on its own citizen and leaves another country to deal with her.

This - she knew exactly what she was doing - exactly

criminal responsibility is 10

she went voluntarily and deliberately