Shamima Begum's mother

[AddingUp]

I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

she’s been punished, she should come home.

Lucky that she still has that possible option.

The ones without heads don’t have any options at all any more.

You'd go and live in a refugee camp in Syria?

Yeah, course you would.

@AddingUp, at the time SB left her UK home to go to join ISIS she was well aware ISIS were beheading people and terrorising them because we all saw it day after day on the news. To suggest she was innocent and a victim is an insult to the real victims of the disgusting ISIS regime. She made her choice. The UK tax payers should not have to pay for lifelong around the clock protection for her. She is so hated it would be necessary if she lived in UK. She has Bangladesh citizenship. If they want to try her for any crimes she may have committed with ISIS that is up to them. Not our business.

Actually we do. If you look at the court case and laws involved.

whether you have sympathy is irrelevant. I don't know why people think the law should be bent to their broken moral compass.

she is a British citizen and it is illegal to strip her of that citizenship and make her stateless. it is only because she is brown that people think this is ok. it's fecking racist to think it's ok to dump our brown criminals in countries because the people there are also brown

NO. WE. DONT. FFS

Britain acted illegally

Even Google says this

in layman’s terms
Removing someone's British citizenship, also known as deprivation of citizenship, is used against those who obtained citizenship by fraud and against the most dangerous people, such as terrorists, extremists and serious organised criminals. It always comes with a right of appeal.2 Mar 2022

Google says?? 🤣

the UN says different

The 'child' (just) who happily joined a group beheading innocent people and promoting dangerous right wing rules?

Are you crazy?

Would you also support your child if they carried out a mass shooting at the same age?

Or drove a car into a group of people?

Seriously, stop with the romanticising. Shamima was not 10. Nor was she stupid. She was a very bright teenager and chose to suppose one of the nastiest groups out there. She's not a victim and her mum and other family members shouldn't have to suffer any more than they already have.

If that was my child, I'd cut them off, genuinely.

I don’t think so. There’s no comparison at all between the two apart from they both got on a plane and went off to join extremists.

Yes we do don’t capital letters and shout out your ignorance

you need to know the actual law - you clearly don’t

so please go and read it properly

start with the BNA1982

What is ‘deprivation of citizenship’?
Maintaining our national security and keeping the public safe are the government’s top priorities.
Removing someone’s British citizenship, also known as deprivation of citizenship, is used against those who obtained citizenship by fraud and against the most dangerous people, such as terrorists, extremists and serious organised criminals. It always comes with a right of appeal.
The power has been possible for over a century, since the 1914 British Nationality and Status of Aliens Act. It is currently in section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 and can be used for two reasons.

1. Deprivation of citizenship where it is conducive to the public good is reserved for those who pose a threat to the UK or whose conduct involves very high harm, for example in response to activities such as those involving:

national security including espionage and acts of terrorism
unacceptable behaviour such as the ‘glorification’ of terrorism
war crimes
serious organised crime
In such cases the power is used sparingly and complies with the UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. The Home Secretary decides each case personally.

1. Deprivation of citizenship on the grounds of fraud is for those who obtained their citizenship fraudulently and so were never entitled to it in the first place.

From 2010 to 2018 (the latest figures on record), on average 19 people a year were deprived of their citizenship where it was conducive to the public good.
In the same period on average 17 people a year were deprived of citizenship on the ground of fraud
An individual in the UK who has been deprived of their British citizenship no longer has any UK immigration status - they might be granted permission to stay or steps can be taken to remove them from the UK. If they are overseas, they cannot re-enter the UK using a British passport.
What does the Nationality and Borders Bill do in relation to deprivation of citizenship?
The Bill allows for the Home Office to deprive someone of their citizenship without prior notification but only in exceptional circumstances.
The Nationality and Borders Bill does not change any existing right of appeal or widen the reasons for which a person could be deprived of their citizenship.
Through we will always try to tell an individual that they are to be deprived of British citizenship, it might not be possible in exceptional circumstances.
For example, this may be because we do not know where they are, or because they are in a war zone where we can’t get in touch with them, or because informing them would reveal sensitive intelligence sources.
It is vital, including to our national security, that we ensure that just because we cannot immediately tell a person they are to be deprived of British citizenship, it doesn’t make the decision any less valid or prevent the deprivation order being made.
Process and safeguards already in place
Decisions are made following careful consideration of advice from officials and lawyers and in accordance with international law, including the UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. Each case is assessed individually.
An individual can seek to exercise their statutory right of appeal against the decision - even if not aware of their deprivation at the time. The clause in the Nationality and Borders Bill would not impact the individual’s right of appeal. We would explain their appeal rights when they make contact with us.

She was 15 and was trafficked.
She’s a murderer but like it or not she’s a British one and I can’t imagine she would have been left out there for her children to die if she was white.

cut them off and expect Syria or Bangladesh to house them? or would you expect them in a UK prison?

No. I’m not. But I do have a lifetime of experience that enables me to see a wider picture here.

Aren’t you a charmer? . I meant a simple google search - shows you on the first hit that British law says we can

Quite.

Marmalade is clearly out for an argument without facts and aiming to insult as many people as possible with absolutely no facts

I am going to try one more time. you can remove British citizenship. but not, if it leaves the person stateless

I know. But she wont be changing my mind on anything I’ve said so she can just get on with her nonsense.

Leave her to rot in Syria

I hope she never comes back to the UK, she’s doesn’t deserve my taxes to pay for her, bit like all those who were killed by Isis

she wasn’t brainwashed, she made the decision to do what she did and even watching her in interviews makes me think she’s still dangerous

And the U.K. says it hasn’t that she has the right to another citizenship

What a load of tush.

People have a problem with people supporting ISIS. Supporting attrocities against innocent people. Brown innocent people.

It's not racist. You're reaching.

The Daily Mail isn't really newspaper though. It supported fascism in the 1930s and it continues to support racists and racism. Not overtly of course, but through dog-whistle articles and columns.
As many have said, Begum will die if she goes to Bangladesh. Their interior minister has said as much.
She is a brainwashed child who deserves another chance. Other comparable Western European countries from where children have left and travelled to ISIS eg Norway, Germany, France, Belgium treated them very differently. None were abandoned in camps.