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Shamima Begum's mother

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AddingUp · 24/11/2022 14:48

I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

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FancyFanny · 24/11/2022 16:50

Yesthatismychildsigh · 24/11/2022 16:47

Must have been a good psychic then, she died in 2014.

You are reading about Sharmeema Begum on your research- not Shamima Begum

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/11/2022 16:50

Let's not forget her father was captured on film at one of the delightful Anjhem Choudrys hate rallies, along side one of Lee rigbys murderers

Wasn't that Hussen Abase, Amira Abase's dad?
The one who was boo-hooing while clutching his daughter's Arsenal teddy, but was later found to have encouraged Amira himself?

MrsThimbles · 24/11/2022 16:50

MintJulia · 24/11/2022 16:22

Perhaps look up the political affiliations of the East London Mosque which the whole family attended. It might help you understand where such views came from in the first place, and why SB is considered a continuing risk to national security.

I’ve always thought the family were already living an extreme form of Islam and it didn’t take much persuasion or radicalization for Shamima to end up where she did.

Chippy1234 · 24/11/2022 16:50

I hope someone is investigating this whole family and what they are supporting?

BluOcty · 24/11/2022 16:50

She was groomed, trafficked into Syria by a Canadian spy at 15, married to several men probably not of her choosing, lost her infants. She should be back in the UK rather than being made stateless by us.

FHmama · 24/11/2022 16:52

@Quveas

Regardless of whether she actually physically committed a crime - she has witnessed people being killed/tortured/beheaded and said it was justified. That's where her lack of remorse and humanity shows - she should feel sympathy for those victims and be disgusted in herself for happily supporting this.

She said the Manchester bombings were also justified too. She's absolutely disgusting.

She 'regrets' it because she can't come back to the U.K. now, not because she feels bad for the victims of terrorism.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 24/11/2022 16:52

But how do you know this?

Because the government argument was that she was entitled to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, so it was fine to remove the British one. I have no claim for citizenship of any other country, so they couldn't do that to me. It is two-tier Britishness, depending on where your parents were born. It is just wrong.

SeenYourArse · 24/11/2022 16:52

Because if her mum wasn’t here and went to her there’s even less chance (thank god!) of her being let into the country! Her mum knows this

LBFseBrom · 24/11/2022 16:52

How do you know Mrs Begum doesn't do much to support her daughter? It's likely that she has been advised to only say innocuous things so let's not be hard on her. There may be other children in the family who must be considered.

I too would like the young woman to be able to come home.

MarmaladeFatkins · 24/11/2022 16:53

Shamima. Begum. Doesn't. Have. Dual. Citizenship. She COULD have applied for Bangladeshi citizenship based on her parents place of birth. but she never has done. if she applied now, it would be denied because she has had linked to terrorist organisations. it is standard for all countries to do a criminal background check before granting citizenship. she is not able to live in Bangladesh.

it is not alowedl to strip citizenship if it leaves a person stateless. I don't know how the UK got away with this, legally.

morally, she was a child who was groomed by men for sex

SeenYourArse · 24/11/2022 16:53

JemimaTiggywinkles · 24/11/2022 16:52

But how do you know this?

Because the government argument was that she was entitled to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, so it was fine to remove the British one. I have no claim for citizenship of any other country, so they couldn't do that to me. It is two-tier Britishness, depending on where your parents were born. It is just wrong.

That’s your opinion but it’s not fact, it’s not wrong which is why it’s the way the law works thank goodness!

TomTraubertsBlues · 24/11/2022 16:54

FancyFanny · 24/11/2022 16:49

But how do you know this? Where are the white terrorist supporters who've been welcomed back?

Hundreds of ISIS fighters have not been stripped of UK citizenship and have come back. Including ones who went as adults.

How is she different?

www.ft.com/content/11fd7c00-0790-11ea-a984-fbbacad9e7dd

She is our citizen, whether we like it or not. she should be brought back, and stand trial for any crimes she may have committed.

Britain shouldnt be allowed to wash its hands of her.

LemonSwan · 24/11/2022 16:54

I didn’t think she should come back. Because if she did then we would have to let back other dangerous males with dual citizenship.

But let’s be honest there’s little choice now, she can’t go to Bangladesh. Her only option is to disappear. Get in with more criminals. Potentially become another problem. She’s clearly not a good person. She should be bought back and jailed for life without release.

SeenYourArse · 24/11/2022 16:57

”was groomed by men for sex” or far far more likely for terrorism! She would be let into the UK and would commit the biggest, most destructive act of terrorism to date. These men don’t just let their property go Scot free they own her, they want her to come to the UK for a reason.

MrsThimbles · 24/11/2022 16:57

LemonSwan · 24/11/2022 16:54

I didn’t think she should come back. Because if she did then we would have to let back other dangerous males with dual citizenship.

But let’s be honest there’s little choice now, she can’t go to Bangladesh. Her only option is to disappear. Get in with more criminals. Potentially become another problem. She’s clearly not a good person. She should be bought back and jailed for life without release.

I wonder what the difference is between being jailed for life without release in the UK and being kept as a stateless person for life in a Syrian refugee camp?

TomTraubertsBlues · 24/11/2022 16:57

We've already allowed a load of dangerous males back FFS!

MarmaladeFatkins · 24/11/2022 16:58

I don't think Samantha Lewthwaite has ever had her British Citizenship revoked, despite relocating to East Africa to carry out terror attacks

LemonSwan · 24/11/2022 16:58

MrsThimbles · 24/11/2022 16:57

I wonder what the difference is between being jailed for life without release in the UK and being kept as a stateless person for life in a Syrian refugee camp?

The difference is she’s less likely to disappear to cause more problems later on.

Bluekerfuffle · 24/11/2022 16:58

AddingUp · 24/11/2022 15:25

I know that SB is 23, I was only making a point that her DM had not seen her since she was 15. It's just incredibly sad. Did SB know what she was getting into at 15? I very much doubt so... She was groomed. She was just a child.

A warped child who doesn’t seem to have unwarped over time.
She said that seeing her first "severed head" in a bin "didn't faze me at all".

MrsThimbles · 24/11/2022 16:59

MarmaladeFatkins · 24/11/2022 16:58

I don't think Samantha Lewthwaite has ever had her British Citizenship revoked, despite relocating to East Africa to carry out terror attacks

I suspect it’s because they want her to still have it in case she’s captured. They would want her on trial in the UK.

TomTraubertsBlues · 24/11/2022 17:00

Do you all think she's the only ISIS recruitee who wants/wanted to return?

Hundreds have already returned. And most of them are the men who were doing the murdering, not just accessories to it. And most went out to Syria as adults FFS.

It's blindingly obvious that she is being used as a scapegoat. Why should she be treated differently to the men who have returned?

SeenYourArse · 24/11/2022 17:00

LemonSwan · 24/11/2022 16:54

I didn’t think she should come back. Because if she did then we would have to let back other dangerous males with dual citizenship.

But let’s be honest there’s little choice now, she can’t go to Bangladesh. Her only option is to disappear. Get in with more criminals. Potentially become another problem. She’s clearly not a good person. She should be bought back and jailed for life without release.

Then the tax payers would be paying for her for years to come, no thanks we’ve got enough crimes committed in British soil to jail people for 😵‍💫 she’s made her bed enjoy her lay in!

Soontobe60 · 24/11/2022 17:00

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 24/11/2022 14:53

She doesn’t have any other ‘ children’ , they are all adults now.

I think this just another attempt to pluck the heartstrings of the unsuspecting British public and whip up some support for letting this self confessed murdering terrorist back into Britain.

Is that code for ‘radicalised child’ by chance?

TomTraubertsBlues · 24/11/2022 17:01

MrsThimbles · 24/11/2022 16:57

I wonder what the difference is between being jailed for life without release in the UK and being kept as a stateless person for life in a Syrian refugee camp?

Why should Syria be expected to pick up the tab for supporting her?

Surely the Syrians have enough problems without the UK palming off their 'undesirables'?

JemimaTiggywinkles · 24/11/2022 17:02

Because if she did then we would have to let back other dangerous males with dual citizenship.

She doesn't have dual citizenship, and never has. She used to have one citizenship (British). We removed that and made her stateless.

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