Shamima Begum's mother

[AddingUp]

I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

Professionally, I know that children live in loving secure homes and they self harm,have suicidal ideation,suicidal intent, get radicalised and don’t tell anyone. Esp not their loving families. Unfortunately it becomes known when there is a near miss or catastrophic event.

I would like her victims to get some justice. I'm sorry you disagree and prioritize the feelings of SB.

Bringing her back here and putting her through the courts would cost the British tax payer hundreds of thousands. If found guilty she would be deprived of her freedom and sent to prison. It would also go some way for her to legitimize her claim to British citizenship all payed for again by the tax payer. She is deprived of her freedom where she is. Leave well alone.

🙄

Your post was about Syria, how has it now become about me not wanting justice?

I'm being a bit thick here.

If we have illegal immigrants in this country who have committed crimes, have been tried and found guilty and we imprison them here why can't Syria do the same

The UK does repatriate illegal immigrants back to their home countries. Especially if they have committed a crime.

Syria is in a civil war, they don’t have the means to do this right now.

So you think this British woman's welfare is more important than some justice for the innocent yazidi women she chose to travel thousands of miles to join in their persecution? This is nothing like the victims in Rotherham, she's the equivalent of a British person reading about the concentration camps in WW2 and travelling to Nazi Germany to join the SS.

@JuvenileEmu what are you on about? How does any of that have anything to do with my post saying ‘She was an illegal immigrant to Syria, they are entitled to have her returned to the place of her birth. The UK is taking advantage of the lack of infrastructure in Syria for illegal immigrants.’?

Let's face it, the only reason this conversation is even being had is because ISIS got the shit kicked out of them. Begum backed a bunch of losers and is now bleating it's not fair.

Thank you. I was under the illusion that we imprisoned illegal immigrants until they had served their time, I didn't realise they were sent back to serve their time

The Yazidis (the victims of her and her friends) have repeatly stated that they want ISIS and their supporters to be tried and imprisoned there, why should we go against their wishes because the pretty British woman wants to come home?
Also, why do none of you care that there are still over a thousand yazidi girls and women missing?

SB should be grateful that the Syrians didn't get their hands on her or she would have swung from a rope before now! She was aware, EVERYONE was aware of the beheadings, crucifixions, mutilations, the hostages murdered and yet still she went of her own free will! She knew what she was joining up with and it wasn't the girl guides! Also, it was repirted that she was a member of the so-called IS morality police so she was party to beating, torturing and harrassing innocent Syrian women caught up in their warped ideology and all those Yazidi women and girls who were ripped from their families, witnessed their male relatives murdered in front of them, force marched to be sold like meat in a slave market to be raped and used as concubines by men like Begum's husband and as household slaves subject to beatings, starvation etc by women like Begum. Some of those Yazidi girls were under 10 years old!! I don't buy that she was a sweet little thing who had her head turned. I think she and her friends were nasty, vicious little witches in the way that only teenage girls can be and they relished the idea of having status and power there. She can rot in a refugee camp as far as I am concerned, every single one of them that joined up to terrorise, murder, rape, enslave and mutilate innocent people in Syria and Iraq! I wouldn't spit on her if she was on fire and as for her mother, if she is that bothered, let her go to Bangladesh with her and live there! Vile creature! When I think of the horror stories of Yazidi girls begging to be raped in place of their 8 year old sisters to spare the younger children, the women mutilated because of the spite of women like SB, the children brainwashed abd screwed up for life after having been forced to shoot prisoners at point blank range etc... Sorry but my sympathy is not with SB.

Exactly this! She should be tried in the country she perpetrated her crimes!

It’s possible to acknowledge the barbarity of Ms Begum crime and seek a trial and return to the UK. Holding a view that S.B remains a British citizen and should be returned back here doesn’t in any way lessen my repugnance for her crimes. A measure of a democracy is its ability to deal with dysfunction and criminality in a fair,measured,and just way.

And before anyone suggests this is a race issue, it isn't. Let's not forget that the vast majority of the victims of her and her ilk were brown people!

It’s not either/or though is it? You can think she should be repatriated and tried/monitored/whatever the security services deem appropriate, like we have done with actual adult IS fighters, and at the same time also think Yazidi girls need to be helped.

SB living in a refugee camp isn’t particularly punishing her or helping Yazidi women, is it?

The only 'just' way to deal with her is to turn her over to the people she harmed to be tried. They deserve justice not her!

oh phewf, glad you've put our minds at rest. move on, no racism here

This.

Actually, I think languishing in a refugee camp is punishing her and she is lucky indeed that she is still drawing breath and living safely there. That is more than can be said for many women in Syria!

I don't think there are many parents in the world that could even begin to comprehend how they would feel if their children became terrorists/murderers, really and truely

Reading the Daily Mail is where you went wrong.

NO
You uphold process and fairness for all and that includes Ms Begum. Irrespective of how repugnant you find her and her actions doesn’t justify circumventing legal process. Apply that she’s a bad un logic and it’s slippery slope.

We have to consider what led a 15 yr old to join IS

I definitely agree with this - though it could easily reveal a few things the family's supporters may find unwelcome, and I don't imagine that would be popular

Hopefully the security services will be looking into the wider aspects in their efforts to keep the rest of us safe, even if (as is normal) we don't get to learn all the details

Dead right Marmalade! Using the race card is a shoddy thing to do which is why her legal team is scraping the bottom of the barrel to find an excuse to bring the creature back here!