Shamima Begum's mother

[AddingUp]

I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

Yes, I strongly suggest that she was would be a Trojan horse if allowed to return.

I don’t believe the family identified as being British. They were more like displaced persons than anything else. The parents came here and not many years later the father upped and went back to Bangladesh leaving the family behind. He then took a second wife and only returned to the UK occasionally for a few months at a time. I doubt the mum thought her move to the UK had been very good for her, she was on her own and her husband had taken a second wife. She would probably have loved to be back in Bangladesh but instead had to stay here for the children’s sake, their education, employment etc. I think they were disenfranchised people who had no attachment to Britain and being British and the situation made it easy for Shamima to be groomed following her managing to become quite radicalized on her own.

British charity worker Alan Henning was beheaded by ISIS in 2014. Every person in this country knew about this awful atrocity, so pretty sure Begum did too. However, she decided to go and join the murderers who carried out this execution. But then again, things like that wouldn’t have bothered her, would it? She very clearly said, in an interview from the refugee camp that “When I saw my first severed head it didn’t faze me at all.” Are those the words of someone who regretted her actions?

No one knows what Alan Henning went through. He died because he was trying to help others. Begum, however, thought actions like these were to be supported and she wanted to support them. I have so much sympathy for Alan Henning’s family, their nightmare will never go away! Shamima Begum….I hope she rots in her refugee camp. She’s doesn’t deserve British Citizenship.

I'd assume it's because she's not white that there is so much hatred for her. Of course she was trafficked. Any interviews that she gave showed her to be gullible. She was married off to someone who impregnated her several times. At least one of the girls who went with her was killed in one of the military actions. I can't imagine how what those girls thought and the reality of what they'd got themselves into must have felt. But over here we have the right wing press full of bile and hatred and of course brexity bollocks that whipped up hatred and was the complete reason for some people's leave vote.

Well I'm sorry but if one of my DC joined a terrorist organisation, I would disown them.
My DC understand that such things are unforgiveable.
My sympathy is with the yazidi people and the families of the service personnel who died there.

😂😂

What utter rubbish.
The UK government did not fail her, terrorist ideology did.

why do you think Syria should have to deal with her/pay for her

Surely Syria have a duty towards their citizens. The citizens that SB and her friends murdered. Syria have a duty to bring SB to justice, on behalf of the families they murdered!

Her crimes didn’t happen in the Uk so UK taxpayers shouldn’t have to stump up costs for her. Why should we?

Syrian citizens should be able to try her and then rejoice in her sentence - on behalf of the unfortunate, innocent people (and their families) she helped to murder!

@AddingUp Apparently, Shamima could face execution in Bangladesh and we don’t know the mother’s circumstances. Would be be permitted to live in the refugee camp? Does she have younger children or elderly relatives to care for? What is her own health like. It’s easy to jump to judgment.

But we'll be stuck paying for her forever. She chose her path, let her stay there.

legally the uk will most likely have to backtrack as bangladesh laws suggest she will hang for her involvement (which means she can't be deported to her death). as she married a dutch fellow maybe she is entitled to dutch nationality?
politically however no one wants her.
like a virus i suspect she is still able to do much harm. for example brainwashing further children she may bare.
sexual crimes and crimes against humanity are two different kettles of fish.
as for her parents i assume they are complicit.
where should she go? down in the books as a lesson for all children as to what NOT to do in life and how cruel and difficult it can be on the wrong side of history.

Why should anyone care about her circumstances, she didn't care about the people who were murdered by her terrorist friends.

Why would they go to Bangladesh? The govt have said they would execute Shamima.

It’s best Shamima comes here, is tried as a 15yo would have been and to serve her time and be rehabilitated.

Because that’s the whole point of the thread 🙄

This would be the best outcome, punished under the Laws of the Country she decided to go to.

*Why would they go to Bangladesh? The govt have said they would execute Shamima.

It’s best Shamima comes here, is tried as a 15yo would have been and to serve her time and be rehabilitated.*

Do you think she can be rehabilitated? I agree with other posters who say the risk of her being a sleeper cell is too high.

a fallacious comparison surely - if you cared that much about your daughter it is unlikely in the extreme that your daughter would end up there. I’m afraid I rather suspect that life isn’t as valued amongst some people, inc this family.

Umm - where do you see me mention sex? Or do you simply have such an obsession with it that it colours everything you see and do?

consensual has an s not your c.

It’s a difficult one, on one hand she knew about the beheadings and the slavery before she went, I don’t think you can compare this to the Rotherhams girls, they never signed up to anything, they just thought they had a nice new boyfriend 🙁. I think it’s pretty vile to make the comparison tbh.

But she was 15. Her mum can’t realistically meet her in Bangladesh as she is likely to be denied citizenship. Feel quite conflicted about this, I genuinely think she knew what she was signing up for, she is by all accounts very intelligent but I also think her 15 year old brain could fully comprehend the horror of that or what that would actually entail for her personally. 15 years olds are often black and white thinkers and idealists (I know this whole death cult is far from ideal).

But yes if it was my child I would want them with me, I look at her and see a terrorist facilitator her mum looks at her and sees a baby, a toddler, a pre schooler, a tween a teenager. I’m not saying the UK government should help her with that but I understand as a mum.

I agree with this.

And given she's not a British citizen, I hope the funding for these various legal appeals is coming from elsewhere.

It’s a difficult one, on one hand she knew about the beheadings and the slavery before she went, I don’t think you can compare this to the Rotherhams girls, they never signed up to anything, they just thought they had a nice new boyfriend 🙁. I think it’s pretty vile to make the comparison tbh.

I haven't read a the thread has been 159 posts since my last.

But what vile animal is comparing with exploited Rotherham girls.

This a vile person who went to join Isis a completely different matter.

I'm from Rotherham so misuse them at your peril.

Because she committed her crimes in Syria. I would be happy for the UK to pay for her trial and imprisonment in Syria.

She was an illegal immigrant to Syria, they are entitled to have her returned to the place of her birth. The UK is taking advantage of the lack of infrastructure in Syria for illegal immigrants.

That is naive at best. 15-year-olds usually have very easy access to online websites that their parents know nothing about. Recently, there was the outcome of an inquest on the death by suicide of young girl from a very good, loving family, who was being encouraged to commit suicide in groups on Instagram. Plenty of kids engage in various forms of self harm, including anorexia and cutting, in groups on social media, kids are sexually groomed and bullied to the point of suicide on social media. You carry on deluding yourself that you would always know if your kid was at risk, but it won’t make it true.

But Syria (well, the semi-autonomous Kurdish authorities which govern where she is) doesn't want to. They do repatriate those ISIS-related internees whom they can move elsewhere. A lot of articles on repatriations of ISIS members stress that the Kurds have been calling on governments to take their citizens back and deal with them at home.