Shamima Begum's mother

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I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

15 is not 5, she has some personal responsibility in being open to be groomed for a role killing people. @Usernamesarboring and 17 is not 7 and Prince Andrew is morally superior to all of us mere women?

She was a child, the UK Government failed her, how the feck did she just get on an areoplane.

I'd forgotten how racist MN is, ta for reminding me.

It is such a complicated matter. Even describing as complicated, is over simplifying.

What happened to the other two girls who travelled with her?

They’re dead.

And how is this worse than all the other male ISIS members who were allowed back into the UK, and who were adults when they left the country?
Straw man argument.
They should be accountable too.
The fact that they haven't been held accountable doesn't mean she should be exonerated or that we should pay for her. She's only become our problem because her family chose to live here and we welcomed them all, gave her opportunities and good healthcare and education, and this is how she's repaid us.

I personally think she should remain stateless in Syria forever. I think the men should too. They shouldn't be in refugee camps though where humanitarian budget is paying for them. They should have to get jobs and repay the community in the country they wrecked.

Stop romanticising criminals it's literally offensive to those of us who were genuinely groomed/trafficked and who didn't get a free pass and public sympathy but instead got put into care, treated like we were fundamentally broken, tossed out at 18 and left to fend for ourselves and sort out our lifelong problems.

Could very well be.

Have you not read of ASSK's unforgivable treatment of the Rohingya?

What crimes has she committed and what threat does she pose to the UK

She's joined, supported and publicly backed the activities of a proscribed organisation known to perpetrate atrocities, which makes the potential threat she poses to the UK pretty clear

As for "the rest who've been allowed back", for some it's not so much that it's wrong to single Shamima out - more that they should never have been permitted to return either

If mother/daughter/community all live by sharia law then she would have long qualified as an adult at age 15 and owned it fully - is it not from 9 upwards? She is using the age as an excuse now.

I wonder how she would have fared if she was a better actress with an obvious air of vulnerability. She could have argued that it has been trial via Islamophobic media and there are other serial killers being kept alive and rehabilitated in our prisons.

Unfortunately for her, she has become the loathed face of salafism and there isn't really anywhere to go for her.

1. clearly OP has not followed the news, SB is total limbo, can't go to UK (revoked) or Bangladesh (no passport).
2. OP clearly knows jack about the situation, SB's mum was close but that person was a young girl who left home
3. not exactly the easiest place to book travel to

I can't forget when she said in interview that seeing the severed heads of people beheaded by Isis in a bucket didn't trouble her.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/how-100-men-were-able-prey-one-vulnerable-halifax-schoolgirl-two-years-1796731
How people can compare what happened to the girl in the above article to what happened to Shamima Begum is beyond me.

I know. It was chilling.

How about we take the money some people want to spaff up a wall on a trial/imprisonment of SB and spend it on child trafficking victims who didn't turn their backs on our shared British values and who may one day become productive members of society?
Because how much support do any of you really think those children receive?

It is the stony hard stare, the dead eyes and the unconvincing attempt at wearing body clinging western outfits to prove that she has changed. It lets her down every time she attempts some self-beneficial outreach.

They are dead

Jack did
I though Sally Jones, was believed to be dead.

Re. Her going to Bangladesh - one of the newspapers (Telegraph?) said today she would be executed if she went there.

It is as though she is the least wanted, wretched, out-of-luck person on the planet.

Absolutely. If she was groomed, it was by watching online videos of people being murdered in hideous ways. Which really takes someone pretty nasty and cold- most people would find them horrific. I don't think it's a great way to make her seem more sympathetic.

I just looked up and definitely one is dead but the other's whereabouts are unknown.

I doubt Shamima was involved in any fighting.

It is far more likely that they were influenced by ideas of love and marrying brave, handsome heroes. And they were 15 and not able to think about the wider picture because they were being influenced by strategic communications from ISIS.

They have paid dearly for what they did - two probably dead and one having watched her three children die from malnutrition.

After the Second World War we completely failed to punish men who had sent 1000s to their deaths. It just feels as though Shamina is being punished because she is female and made a really shit decision at 15.

I’d imagine she is actually better placed to help her daughter here where she can continue to raise awareness.

But they have been allowed back, it makes no sense and it is not just to treat her differently.

She could be tried for joining a terrorist group, but in the context that she was 15 at the time, which yes, is over the age of criminal responsibility, but the law still takes into account her youth. The girls were recruited by a Canadian spy, and the fact that they were groomed and targetted for years would be taken into account also.

Once she was in the hands of Isis then everything else was pure coercion.

It is difficult to know how to treat people who are both alleged criminal and victim, particularly when they are so young. There is time for her to recover and maybe in the future provide valuable information to prevent this from happening to any other young people, and maybe even to work with teenagers at risk of being radicalised, as others who were previously involved in terrorism now do.

Yes I agree

The thing that really worries me about this is the precedence that it sets. Your 15 y/o daughter goes off and meets someone she found on-line. She has sex, she claims it was non-consensual ie rape, he claims that all 15 y/o know what happens in the real world.

Next year, your 14 y/o daughter meets someone on-line....

How the feck did she just get on an areoplane

It seems a fair question, especially as there were three girls, and I expect the security services will have answers not available to the rest of us

However let's imagine for a moment that they'd been stopped, and consider the inevitable cries of "racist profiling", "travelling while muslim" and all the rest ... Mumsnet would probably have gone into meltdown