Shamima Begum's mother

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I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

What about her victims PTSD?

She is a terrorist simple as that not trafficked groomed or whatever she went of her own free will anyone who sympathises and thinks she is anything more than that has been fooled.

You don't think there was any grooming? What do you call it when a 15 year old girl is smuggled out of the country by a much older man she met online?

Because that is the definition of grooming.

It was well documented at the time that this was a growing concern for young people in the UK. Social workers, youth workers, community workers were all made aware that this was happening.

I understand. I actually felt quite hesitant when typing it. But if you go in to her background it does give food for thought on why she may have been ‘persuadable’. Not that it would have taken much though. I’ve very conflicted about Shamima Begum.

Yazidi women and children were raped murdered and starved. This was all driven by the bigoted racist xenophobic agenda of Isis and their hatred.do I want what she stands for in my country. My sympathy lies with the yazidis , and other minorities butcherd by isis. why does anyone think it was just the internet. It was more than likely supported by family members as well.

They’re dead.

She wasn’t smuggled out of the country by anyone. She left Heathrow with two friends on her sister’s passport. Zero smuggling.

She is an adult now but even so she was 15 when she left. 15 year olds know right from wrong (especially to this extreme). She wasn't 5, she knew what she was doing

I agree. She said in one of the interviews she hated her life in UK so the mother is partlg accountable. This is why having a good relationship with your child is crucial.

What about her victims PTSD?

You may well ask, PassMeTheValve, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a reply since any concern for the security of the vast majority is notably absent from most of the "Shamima as victim" posts

Depressing but so very predictable

Indeed. The disproportionate approbation towards Begum is just a more "acceptable" way for some people to express their racism, misogyny, and frankly dodgy attitude towards 15 year old girls. "They are grown up, they know what they are doing, they are making a lifestyle choice." Sounds very similar to the things people said about girls in care in Rochdale and other places who were abused and exploited by paedophile rings.

One poster said had she come from a loving home I don’t think she would go all that way. (Sorry dont know how to qoute posters!)

Because if Shemima goes to Bangladesh, her story will disappear from the press. Case closed. To keep the story alive, she has to stay in the refugee camp.

If Aung San Suu Kyi had not been put under house arrest by the Junta, she would have been forgotten. Instead, she garnered worldwide attention.

Even if her legal team manage to overturn the original decision, it's highly unlikely that she will be able to return to the UK at least for some time. She's being held in a camp run by Kurdish armed guards. They won't just let her leave. it would take some serious negotiations on her behalf by the UK government and I suspect that it wouldn't be top of the priority list given how much public anger her case generates.

Exactly. A lot of people here would rather that Begum was conveniently dead too.

She should be tried and put in prison over here. Monitored constantly by the authorities. I do kind of feel sorry for her having 3 DC die she was so young as well. She was an idiot but she can't be held in a refugee camp stateless for the rest of her life. She will be killed in Bangladesh.

At age 15/16 I only made reasonably rational decisions! Like most 15/16 year olds do!

Running away from home to marry someone I've never met and joining a known terrorist group are not decisions which can be solely excused because she was a silly teenager!

You seem to know a lot about this. What crimes has she committed and what threat does she pose to the UK. And how is this worse than all the other male ISIS members who were allowed back into the UK, and who were adults when they left the country?

she is technically a young widow Is she? I thought her husband was being held in a Kurdish run jail.

I thought he was too. He wanted to return to the Netherlands and take her with him when he was interviewed last year.

Yes because jihadist, morality police, torturer Shamima Begum and Nobel Peace prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi are on the same level...

I thought it was the Kenyan authorities that have issued a warrant for her arrest and if she ever turns up she'll be tried there?

Well Bangladesh have said she will be executed so yes her story will disappear.

Oh so they had their citizenship revoked too?

I think going to Syria was a form of “ halal” teenage rebellion, whereby she could get away from parental control, have sex ( the girls get married on arrival) and be considered a good Muslim in the fantasy caliphate of Isis. She does not come across as very bright, but I have little doubt, from her interviews, that she went along with it all willingly until Isis started to lose and it got nasty for her.