I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

I don't blame her at all, I'd have probably done similar. She shouldn't have been jailed.

I worked in a child protection department for years, and abusers just keep repeating the same behaviour.

Glad to see she and the boys are rebuilding their lives together.👍

If someone did this to my child I would let the courts take action first but if I did not get justice I would take it into my own hands for sure. Can’t believe they increased her sentence. It’s all kinds of wrong.

I couldn't judge her for losing control and killing him. She'd have been better off not approaching him, but then that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't bailed him to his home address which was damn stupid.

I think if you weigh it up coldly you wouldn't kill him, not because you wouldn't want to with every fibre of your being but because it took her away from her kids exactly when they needed her the most. Very noble to talk about all the other kids she's saved from him, but for me my own kids would be my front and centre priority and I would need to be with them. Frankly I don't know how I'd ever let them out of my sight again. It's unimaginable how awful it would be knowing you couldn't protect them.

But I don't think she weighed it up or planned it. I think under extreme provocation she lost it. And I think it's a shame she went to prison for it, but I can see why she had to be punished.

People saying trust the system have obviously never been failed by the system
this man changed his name legally to evade DBS checks and was successful in doing so. It’s a common way for people with convictions like this to start new lives

Additionally even getting to court is very difficult and traumatic never mind actually securing the conviction. Even then paedophiles serve stupidly short sentences

I work in safeguarding and it’s scary how easy it is for these people to get to kids, especially vulnerable ones. I worked somewhere when I was younger where a guy was convicted of downloading CSA images (and no it’s not ‘child porn’) he changed his last name but someone found an article eventually with his face on it. The job was nothing to do with kids or anything but the workplace did do family fun days, Christmas parties etc, and no one was told because we apparently had no right to know. People think they will never be affected by this sort of thing, but you can be a naice middle class family who’s kids go to the right schools in the right suburbs and hang out with the right children and it can still happen.

Yes, prison is all very well, but after X years they’re out again - having supposedly ‘paid their debt to society’. And whatever any psychiatrist or psychologist might say about their no longer being a danger - these are not exact sciences and they can’t possibly know for certain.

Such people may well be clever enough to know exactly what answers to give.

I know of someone who was banged up for 11 years for serious paedophile offences - is he somehow going to be a different person when he comes out? After fewer than 11 years, you may be sure, if he’s been astute enough to behave himself inside.

quinceythequince ‘oh be quiet you bleeding heart fool’ has got to be one of the best things I’ve ever read on here! You are absolutely right. The naivety of some people is shocking.

I have fantasised about removing my abusers genitals, popping it in a nutri-bullet, then dropping him off at a hospital. Then abuse happened when I was a child though and the offender is now dead.

But if anyone ever touched my dc I wouldn't hesitate.

The law won't help you. It doesn't protect children. Those of us who are raped by reoffenders suffered so that some liberal could feel good about 'rehabilitation' working.

Prison doesn't stop them, if they ever get put there at all. They will never not want to rape children and will always find another opportunity to do so.

I don't blame her. He'd faced "justice" many times over 3 decades.

Still he was allowed to be a free man and keep on abusing children.

If she hadn't killed him, he'd be abusing someone else's children now.

I can’t say I wouldn’t want to do it and I am probably capable of doing it but I wouldn’t.
I would not risk being sent to prison myself and also, if he was convicted I dont imagine he would have had an easy time in prison as a nonce.
For The Law to work vigilantism can’t be allowed

I think what probably counted against her was taking the knife with her, I read she took the knife so I'm assuming that is correct.

If she'd lost it picked up a lamp and hit him over the head and he'd died I think it would have been a different result but taking a knife and stabbing him repeatedly does make it look premeditated.

I agree with you about it being taken away from her children. Tragic for those boys, damage compounding damage. I hope they are doing OK.

@Wereeaglesdare banging the drum for paedos? Jesus Christ. 🙄

Exactly. These poor children now have a peadophile for a father, a murderer for a mother and have been abused and abandoned just when they absolutely needed her support. Her actions made their lives worse not better. I am sorry she did it.

Daft comment.

I think ‘civilised’ behaviour would be the last thing on my mind if someone hurt my son 🙄

I wouldn’t. I think this woman is deranged and is dangerous to other people if this is the way she deals with things. I totally don’t agree with what the paedophile did but her actions didn’t do anything but make a bad situation even worse. She was taken away from her children at a time when they needed her the most. She should have let him be dealt with appropriately.

So her sons got abused and the law punished them further by taking their mum away from them growing up. She was brave and fearless and stood up for her kids when the laws of the land failed to protect them. I hope I'd have the courage to do the same.

  Sexual abuse robs the victim for life, the after effects can seep into everything. I'm sure that the fact they were believed and that their mum defended them went a long way to helping those boys. 

   Given his track record that  man would have definitely gone on to abuse others. If shes's reading this then I'd like to give her a hug and say Thankyou. In dreadful circumstances, where the law had failed her sons,  she protected them. She deserves recognition for her courage, living with the knowledge her son's were abused should have been  enough suffering and punishment without a jail term.

I think rehabilitation is appropriate for a variety of offenses, people who are young and from difficult backgrounds can get caught up in all sorts of things and it would be a tragedy to write them off.

I think it's unfortunate that they attempt to treat sex offenders and paedophiles in the same way, though. I don't believe rehabilitation is possible. I've read case after case of offenders getting released and going on to reoffend, sometimes even escalating to killing their victims like an awful case in Glasgow some years ago where a convicted offender was released from prison and went on to rape and strangle an eight year old boy: www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mother-8-year-old-mark-6949671]]

I’d have wanted to kill him but I wouldn’t have done so. Being away from her children for four crucial years was obviously not ideal for her or them and the law is clear and protects us all: killing someone is punishable by prison. Remember the paediatrician who was murdered because some moron thought it meant paedophile?

fluffypancake genuine question, how do you think he was going to be ‘dealt with properly’? He had 24 previous convictions and changed his name to allow him to continue his evil crimes. As someone else said, death Was the only way to stop him and to quote another poster ‘he won’t be doing that again for a while’. I’d be interested to know how you believe the courts deal with these highly manipulative bastards properly.

I think this demonstrates people's ignorance about grooming. Sexual predators who prey on children usually groom the adults in a child's life first. They are highly manipulative and often very charming.

It's very likely that you have encountered multiple sexual predators during the course of your life but have no idea. Do you really think you could pick them out of a line up of people you know or have known?

Good on her.

A comparison of sentencing for abusers with similar backgrounds/rates of offending as this man and her sentence for killing him would add a bit of context i feel.

I do find it exceedingly harsh that her sentence was nearly doubled because she didn't call an ambulance. Jeez. Although taking the knife? didn't help her case.

The whole thing is a hot mess. And in the middle? 3 boys who grew up without their mother (i read the article very quickly: where is their dad in all this?)

@MrsSchrute and do you think allowing a child sexual abuser to leave prison after a few months, change their name and continue to reoffend is a mark of a ‘civilised society’? The whole system is fucked

Killing someone out of revenge and anger then getting banged up leaving your kids on their own for years = wrong.
it’s why we don’t have eye for an eye laws here. Revenge isn’t justice.
he should have been left to rot in prison.

I can't imagine being in that situation. Those poor children.

I think I'd want to kill the abuser too but I hope that I'd be able to restrain myself because after what my children had suffered they would need their mum with them, not in prison.

But my god I'd want to kill him so badly. I don't believe any parent would not feel that emotion.

jacktorrance has it right on the money again. Listen to this poster. Read up on rehabilitation. It cannot be achieved. Unless the courts are going to throw away the key, death is the only certainty to stop other innocent little children getting hurt.