I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

Rape of a minor is a Schedule 19 offence for the purposes of s285 Sentencing Act 2020 and potentially carries a life sentence. The court must set a minimum term. For someone aged 77 or 78 at the time of conviction who has spent his life offending and going in and out of the justice system, the likelihood of coming out at all is severely limited.

You'd think after 25 serious convictions against minors they would already have passed some sort of threshold.

The problem is that it’s very rare for life sentences ever to be passed for child rape and even then it’s not a life meaning life sentence.

The sentencing guidelines shown above show just what a joke sentencing of child abusers has become.

It should look something like this:

Child abuse images = minimum ten years imprisonment (it’s not victimless) or chemical castration.

Indecent assault on a child = minimum ten years and chemical castration as a condition of eventual release.

Rape of a child = death by lethal injection.

Some EU countries have voluntary chemical castration as an alternative to long prison sentences so why can’t we?

None have the DP though.

A relative worked for the probation service - the issue with chemical castration is that if they cannot use their penis, they find other things to use e.g. bottles.

I didn’t think we had chemical castration as an option in this country? You never hear of it being used…

God what a grim thought. But I assumed that the impact of chemical castration is less sexual urges? I suppose because sexual assault is often about power and control more than sexual attraction?

I think the same drugs are used that they give people with prostate cancer. They suppress testosterone.

Without going into a lot of detail — yes, most sexual assaults are not really about sex at all, they’re about power or destruction (of innocence, when the victims are children).

Chemical castration does exist here in the UK but it’s elective; it’s a pill so obviously you can’t force people to take it. It is only effective with certain offender/biological profiles and certainly isn’t a magic bullet like some posters here seem to hope.

And obviously it doesn’t work on women, who make up a minority but not insignificant proportion of sexual offenders against children.

What proportion of those “women” are “women with penises” and what proportion of them are “women without penises”.

I’m sure the number of sexual assaults committed by “persons without penises” are extremely small compared to the numbers committed by “persons with penises”.

My DD made a disclosure when she was 5 about a family friend. It went nowhere, except we had unwelcome (fuckwit) social workers in our house which was more traumatic than the disclosure itself. The disclosure wasn’t about physical abuse but something she said he said to her.

I don’t want to kill this man. My energies at the time all went into ensuring my DD was safe and happy and OK. If anyone did abuse my kids physically I don’t think that a mother in jail would be a very good outcome after having a horrible shitty time. It’s not the movies. This is not a vigilante society. The justice system is absolutely imperfect but the answer is not taking matters into our own amateur hands.

I’d be very interested to know who the judge was making all these shitty decisions

If you're that bothered you know you could look it up, right?

it was a rhetorical question 🙄

You didn't ask a question.

I did say minority, to be fair. Female sex offenders do exist. I have personal experience of that, I’m sorry to say.

Of course they’re a minority. Men commit between 90% and 99% of sexual assaults, rapes and child sexual abuse cases.

But this doesn’t mean you ignore them, or don’t treat them. It’s not practical or realistic to suggest that society gets no protection from female sex offenders just because they’re a minority.

My broader point was that chemical castration isn’t a cure-all for sexual predators. It only works on a proportion of men, and it doesn’t work on women at all. It has its uses; but these are not universal.