I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

I think this case is tragic. I don't believe in vigilante justice but I can't pretend I'm sorry this man is dead. He had 24 previous convictions for sexual offences, he would almost certainly offended again upon release from prison but now he won't be able to and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. There are some offenders who can use prison time to reflect on what they've done and can be rehabilitated. I don't believe paedophiles can be rehabilitated so it's best if they are dead or locked up.

No amount of prison time for the offender helps survivors, they will always serve a life sentence.

She must have felt so distressed when he was released on bail and returned to live nearby whilst awaiting trial. Reading the article it sounds like she was devastated by, what she felt was, her failure to protect her children so she made sure he'd never hurt them again.

A Home Office spokesperson said it had reviewed the issue, but it could not publish its findings because they contained sensitive information, which could potentially be used by offenders to exploit the system.

Here's the Home Office admitting those loop holes still exist and then in the next breath...

It said the UK had some of the toughest powers in the world to deal with sex offenders living in the community.

Not really believable when this man had previously served jail time for sexual offences but had still been convicted of 24 in total and had managed to change his name to hide his past.

I am actually surprised more people don't do it. I would.

Oh stop. We're not talking about murdering normal people in the streets. We're talking about the death of a man who enjoyed little boys sexually. He wanted to have sex with children, he enjoyed it. He doesn't deserve life.

I civilised society would keep paedophiles behind bars so they can't harm children again and again and again and again.

In the moment, if someone was attacking my children, I could easily kill them.

Planned and in cold blood, no I couldn't and wouldn't. I honestly think it takes a certain something to do that, which most people don't possess. Thank goodness.

I can't speak for anyone else but I take no pleasure in knowing this man was stabbed to death but I do feel comforted by the fact that he can no longer abuse children.

I hate violence and cruelty but the pragmatist in me knows a dead paedophile can't harm children and our justic system seems unable to protect them.

He is a man who committed the most horrendous crimes, for which he should of course face justice. But no one deserves to die.

No idea on what I would do, and thankfully, as my DC are adults, I will never find out. I don't blame her though, love for your DC rivals no other.

I'm sorry for what you went through.
I hate to say it but I agree with no trust in the system. The man who raped my sister in broad daylight walks the streets, so its hard to have faith in it

Agree. These threads always go the same way. There’s never any willingness to debate the nuance.

Me too in a heartbeat

I don’t believe in taking the law into your own hands but this was a horrific situation.

The mother reported this man, did everything she was supposed to do to protect and support her children and even with his prior history they let him out on bail and allowed him to return to his home directly opposite this family. How could they feel safe knowing that? They were the victims and they had to move. He’d already committed numerous offences and was allowed out to offend again. Where is the justice in that?

She made a grave mistake that cost her deeply, but I’m not sure I could have rested knowing that a prolific offender like this was out of prison and living his best life after hurting all those children. And in fairness, she did what the courts failed to do and stopped him from offending again. I don’t condone it but had he been safely locked away as he should have been where he couldn’t hurt anyone this would not have happened. I blame the system far more than I could ever blame this desperate woman.

Thank you for posting this.

I read the article yesterday and was surprised at my reaction.

When a trusted adult sexually assaulted me, my mum was able to make sure I didn't see him again... But that was it. No reports to the police or anything (I don't blame her, it was a different era etc).

The trauma was never addressed and the knock on effects were lasting and multiple. I still pay the price, not least in therapy costs.

When I read that piece, I'm afraid my first thought was how amazing for those children to know that man could never hurt them again, and could never hurt other children either. If our criminal justice system can't give that assurance to children who've been sexually abused, then I don't blame mothers like this at all.

If people were civilised we wouldn’t have children and babies being sexually abused would we? If these subhumans exist they need exterminated in the most gruesome way possible imo.

^ This. He had a history of sexual abuse and the system enabled this man to do it again and again...
Right or wrong taking someones life... to me she is a hero!

and the alleged perpetrator never faced justice on a court of law.

The fact is most never really face justice anyway even IF it gets to court AND they are convicted. They get a few years at most in a protective unit with other paedos and spend their time getting their kicks swapping their sick stories and patting each other on the back. Then they usually reoffend when they get out. There is hardly ever any ‘justice’ in these cases at all and n the current system.

Agreed. It’s a lot of drum banging for what was ultimately a pointless crime, causing this mother to spend years away from her children and creating a whole new group of victims. Those advocating vigilantism have no idea what they are asking for and the repercussions of that.

There’s a difference though. Having a civilised society doesn’t mean that all people in it are civilised; it’s about dealing with the infractions in a civilised manner.

I would have done thr same given the chance.
I don't really think it was fair she was given a prison sentence at all. They should absolutely make it harder to change identities

We are not a civilised country, we have a veneer of civilisation. That's why manners, politeness etc came about, and rules to govern our behaviour, without those we are capable of the most awful things.

He acted outside the law, and rather than support the family in the immediate aftermath, the family were uprooted and had their lives turned upside down. The desperation and anger must have been huge. I can understand how it happened and I have a real empathy for mum. I don't know how I would have reacted but possibly the same after listening to her.

If we don't want this to keep happening we need to respond appropriately to victims in the first instance.

Give over.

How many more children did the dead peadophile rape?

Life in prison.

bit naive, as they often aren't in prison, this guy had convictions.

They don't suffer if they're dead!

But you know they can't do it again at least which probably eases your suffering.

I'm don't remember the case, I would have thought there would have been a lot more press around it.

This was the convicted paedophile who changed his name, got a new DBS certificate under his new name, gained access to children using new certificate and sexually abused the woman’s three sons under his new name - yes?

Regardless of what she did - the law’s a fucking ass and needs changing so this never happens again.

And good riddance to the nonce.

She reported the paedo to the police as soon as her boys told her what had happened, but the judge allowed the paedo back into his flat! He’d been convicted for being a paedo before the abuse on the three brothers, and the judge allowed him to change his name. The judge would never have put him in prison.