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To keep parking in front of this "drive"?

342 replies

Droppingthekerb · 22/11/2022 15:40

Sorry it's a long one. I'll start off by saying that due to mobility issues I do drive my children to school which is about 1.5 miles from our house. I do not however qualify for a blue badge.

There are several residential streets near the school where people park to take kids to the school. I imagine it is annoying for the people who live there but there are no restrictions on the road in terms of yellow lines etc and generally I'd say people are respectful of the residents. There are a couple of cars who park overhanging the yellow zigzags and some on bends but for the most part people park at the side of the road and don't block driveways. Dropped kerbs are marked with white lines so it is clear where it is ok to park.

I tend to park on the street one up from the school as usually it is quieter and there's more chance of getting a space. Until recently there was a house on the street that had fallen into disrepair with an overgrown front garden. Over the last couple of months there have been tradespeople coming and doing up the house and now the front garden has been paved over. About 2 weeks ago I parked in front of this house and a man came running out of the house opposite shouting at me that I couldn't park there as I was blocking a drive. I had my kids with me and told him I did not appreciate being shouted at in front of them especially as there was no dropped kerb so it wasn't a driveway. There wasn't a car parked on it either. He stormed off back into his house.

A few days later I saw the space was available and as it was raining there were a lot of extra cars on the school run so spots were at a premium. I parked there again and returned to a note on my car not to block driveways.

I don't park there every time as there are other spaces available often before I get to that spot but last week I was running late for pick up and noticed the space was free again - I was feeling a bit petty too by this point. However, there was a police officer speaking to drivers about their parking to ensure it was safe as it was near a school. I parked there and the police officer stopped me and said she'd had a complaint about people blocking the drive. I pointed out there was no dropped kerb and she immediately said, "Oh, you're absolutely right. Carry on."

This morning it was again the only available space but today there was a car on the drive and seemingly new residents. I parked up as usual to find the man from the house opposite screaming at me again in front of my kids that I was blocking the drive and now the new resident of the house coming out to join in. I tried to keep my cool but it is quite intimidating having 2 men shouting at you in public especially with young children. I said I needed to get the kids to school but they were misinformed if they thought it was a drive as it didn't have a dropped kerb and actually he was in the wrong for driving his car over the pedestrian footpath. Neither of them were listening though as they just kept shouting over the top of me.

When I came back to my car he had taken a photo of it and then a photo of me and told me he was reporting me to the police. I again tried to explain about the lack of dropped kerb and he flat out told me that was not true, that he had the right to create a driveway whereever he wanted and that actually parking on the street full stop (driveway or no driveway) was against the law and he should know because he is a lawyer. I told him he was speaking rubbish and to look on the council website as it is very clear.

Up to now I've parked in other spots if they have been available but AIBU to keep parking in front of this "drive" just to make a point because they have pissed me off?

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AtomicRitual · 22/11/2022 16:41

Oops - a driveway is not a driveway if the kerb is not dropped!

Brigante9 · 22/11/2022 16:42

Yabu to keep parking there when there’s a car being blocked in and they’ve told you not to park there. They may well be in the process of getting the kerb dropped, took us a while to get ours done. I don’t get why you open yourself up to being shouted at in front of the kids.

gelatogina · 22/11/2022 16:42

god just stop causing stress for yourself, your kids and the homeowner and find somewhere else to park.

FlissyPaps · 22/11/2022 16:43

You sound incredibly pedantic by saying “there’s no dropped kerb”. So what?!

If someone has told you more than once, not to block the drive way, it does sound like you are blocking access to their property. Dropped kerb or not.

The residents have every right to be angry about annoying parents causing disruption on residential roads at school pickup/drop off time. I’ve seen it plenty of times myself.

If you have mobility issues speak to the school to see if you are able to use the staff carpark in order to drop your children off safely. Or you either wait for a space to be available where you aren’t obstructing access to anyones property.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 22/11/2022 16:43

Not that it's excusing the shouting (and lying) in any way, but perhaps they have had approval to drop the curb and are on a waiting list to get it done, but they now see the approval as confirmation that it is a drive (not that it will be one iyswim).

I live on a road one street back from DS school and watching the parents try and squeeze their cars as close to the gate as possible would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. So many are just flung on corners and crossings. The space isn't super close to a crossing/bus stop/corner is it?

Waystation · 22/11/2022 16:43

I think he was rude and nasty - but I also think someone deliberately parking and blocked a car in is also rude and nasty. Match made in heaven!

dizzydizzydizzy · 22/11/2022 16:44

I'm sure you have the law on your side but the men sound so angry and unhinged, if it were me, I'd be scared that they would damage my car.

ChristmasisRuined · 22/11/2022 16:44

OhmygodDont · 22/11/2022 15:43

No drop kerb no drive way. I’d report him the council. They might well come stick a bollard there mine does sometimes when they are feeling extra petty.

I could understand if he was due a drop kerb and you was blocking the tradesmen installing it but his clearly not got it booked in.

He's*

Hont1986 · 22/11/2022 16:45

It's a drive. OP knows it's a drive. OP even calls it a drive herself. Relying on "oh well technically according to council regulations" is a cop out. It was unreasonable to park there and we all know it.

Kagusta · 22/11/2022 16:46

The law on this from a .gov website

Do I need a dropped kerb?
If you intend to drive a vehicle over the footway into your driveway off a highway, then you will need a dropped kerb. If you do not have dropped kerb, you must not drive over the footway. If you do so, you are breaking the law and enforcement action could be taken to prevent such practice. Furthermore:

You may become liable from a collision with a pedestrian
You may become liable for damage to the footway
You may face considerable costs as a result of damage to any utility apparatus under the footway

The utility one is the one I would be most worried about in their shoes. When you have building work done they come and mark out the utilities. BT landline cables are the ones my drive person was worried about most, I assume due to depth.

Report the house to the council for driving over the footway. Report the threatening behaviour to the police. It isn't a drive, it is a patio with aspirations. Would I park there? No, not because of the legalities because they are clearly batshit. They should never have moved near to a school if parking was going to set them off. They shouldn't be parking on their "drive" but instead on the road. Clearly not law abiding. You need to set off earlier to park up earlier. I had to drive due to distance and my DC's school had an 90 a year intake. You can imagine the carnage at drop off and pick up. We would park a 5 minute walk away away from the chaos and walk the last bit. It would seem you cannot do this so arrive earlier.

Georgieporgie29 · 22/11/2022 16:46

Hont1986 · 22/11/2022 16:45

It's a drive. OP knows it's a drive. OP even calls it a drive herself. Relying on "oh well technically according to council regulations" is a cop out. It was unreasonable to park there and we all know it.

I agree with this.

Damnautocorrect · 22/11/2022 16:47

To reuse the phrase, It’s a patio with aspirations.
You are not being unreasonable parking there (if there’s no car on the patio), however I think your setting yourself up for constant arguing and damage to your car.

NoMichaelNo · 22/11/2022 16:47

Get a life and park elsewhere.

LakieLady · 22/11/2022 16:48

Blocking someone's parked car is an arsehole thing to do, dropped kerb or not.

vivainsomnia · 22/11/2022 16:49

How are you actually meant to know that a property's front might be used for parking (assuming there's no car parked there when you park)?
OP did say there was a car parked in the 'patio', 'drive', whatever you want to call it.

Yes, they are breaching some rules by going over the pavement, but so is OP by blocking them. Not having a dropped kerb doesn't inconvenience OP, her behaviour could actually be dangerous.

Alexandernevermind · 22/11/2022 16:49

I wouldn't be subjecting my children to this. Its okay making a stand yourself, but why expose your children to the unnecessary potential upset. I agree it isn't a driveway, is a patio with aspirations. In our area it costs about £150 to apply for an access crossing, when checks are made to ensure there are is no potential damage to services by driving a car over a footpath. He is breaking the law (in our area) by illegally crossing a public footpath.

Nanny0gg · 22/11/2022 16:50

Thing is, if he wasn't parked in his garden, he'd be parked on the road. So there wouldn't be a space for you anyway...

frozengoose · 22/11/2022 16:51

Hont1986 · 22/11/2022 16:45

It's a drive. OP knows it's a drive. OP even calls it a drive herself. Relying on "oh well technically according to council regulations" is a cop out. It was unreasonable to park there and we all know it.

While I personally would avoid the aggro of parking there OP is actually completely correct.
It isn't a drive until a dropped kernel appears she can park there if she wants to.
The other car is the one behaving illegally.

MorningMeditation · 22/11/2022 16:51

I’d park elsewhere if possible as. If there’s no other space, I’d park there. It’s not a driveway if there’s no dropped kerb, it’s just a garden.

He’s a lawyer. 😂 He’s a shit one if he is.

FrodisCapering · 22/11/2022 16:52

If he wants a dropped kerb and the right of access then he can bloody pay for it!

You have every right to park there. Even the police have confirmed it. If parking is so important then he should have bought a house with a drive.

I recommend having your phone ready to record them in case they start being verbally aggressive again.

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 22/11/2022 16:53

Just get to school earlier and get a closer spot. You said yourself there were no restrictions like yellow lines so having a blue badge would be meaningless anyway just set off sooner and there is no problem.

RincewindsHat · 22/11/2022 16:56

It's not a driveway so you're not unreasonable to park there IF there is no car currently there because my understanding is that it is illegal to block a vehicle from accessing the public highway.

That said, I would be worried about damage being done to my car because the man who's yelled at you is clearly unreasonable.

For everyone saying you're unreasonable to park in front of a paved area, it is NOT a legal driveway and laws exist for a reason - you can't just do what you want when you want and expect there to be exceptions just for you, that's not how things work!

ElfAndSafetyBored · 22/11/2022 17:00

I think you are technically right but having just had a quote for £2200 to repair my keyed car (no I wasn’t blocking anyone in, I was parked legally and in no one’s way/view) by a mindless vandal, I wouldn’t risk it.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 22/11/2022 17:00

Why does the man in the house opposite think it has anything to do with him?

He and the house owner are bullying idiots. Of course you are entitled to park on the road in front of a garden, because that's what it is. And if he thinks "parking on the street full stop (driveway or no driveway) was against the law and he should know because he is a lawyer" then he's a shite lawyer.

I wouldn't park there if I could avoid it because they sound deranged. I would report him if he tries to drop the kerb in case he's done it without approval.

Theundertaker · 22/11/2022 17:00

Kagusta · 22/11/2022 16:46

The law on this from a .gov website

Do I need a dropped kerb?
If you intend to drive a vehicle over the footway into your driveway off a highway, then you will need a dropped kerb. If you do not have dropped kerb, you must not drive over the footway. If you do so, you are breaking the law and enforcement action could be taken to prevent such practice. Furthermore:

You may become liable from a collision with a pedestrian
You may become liable for damage to the footway
You may face considerable costs as a result of damage to any utility apparatus under the footway

The utility one is the one I would be most worried about in their shoes. When you have building work done they come and mark out the utilities. BT landline cables are the ones my drive person was worried about most, I assume due to depth.

Report the house to the council for driving over the footway. Report the threatening behaviour to the police. It isn't a drive, it is a patio with aspirations. Would I park there? No, not because of the legalities because they are clearly batshit. They should never have moved near to a school if parking was going to set them off. They shouldn't be parking on their "drive" but instead on the road. Clearly not law abiding. You need to set off earlier to park up earlier. I had to drive due to distance and my DC's school had an 90 a year intake. You can imagine the carnage at drop off and pick up. We would park a 5 minute walk away away from the chaos and walk the last bit. It would seem you cannot do this so arrive earlier.

This.
You're not being unreasonable at all, and I'm agog at the posters here who think these men - who haven't a fucking leg to stand on, legally, and who came out yelling at you, not listening, threatening you with the police and who are in fact breaking the law by driving over the pavement - are in the right. I imagine if they'd accepted your point but politely asked that you not park there while they sort it, you'd have stayed clear. As it is...