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To keep parking in front of this "drive"?

342 replies

Droppingthekerb · 22/11/2022 15:40

Sorry it's a long one. I'll start off by saying that due to mobility issues I do drive my children to school which is about 1.5 miles from our house. I do not however qualify for a blue badge.

There are several residential streets near the school where people park to take kids to the school. I imagine it is annoying for the people who live there but there are no restrictions on the road in terms of yellow lines etc and generally I'd say people are respectful of the residents. There are a couple of cars who park overhanging the yellow zigzags and some on bends but for the most part people park at the side of the road and don't block driveways. Dropped kerbs are marked with white lines so it is clear where it is ok to park.

I tend to park on the street one up from the school as usually it is quieter and there's more chance of getting a space. Until recently there was a house on the street that had fallen into disrepair with an overgrown front garden. Over the last couple of months there have been tradespeople coming and doing up the house and now the front garden has been paved over. About 2 weeks ago I parked in front of this house and a man came running out of the house opposite shouting at me that I couldn't park there as I was blocking a drive. I had my kids with me and told him I did not appreciate being shouted at in front of them especially as there was no dropped kerb so it wasn't a driveway. There wasn't a car parked on it either. He stormed off back into his house.

A few days later I saw the space was available and as it was raining there were a lot of extra cars on the school run so spots were at a premium. I parked there again and returned to a note on my car not to block driveways.

I don't park there every time as there are other spaces available often before I get to that spot but last week I was running late for pick up and noticed the space was free again - I was feeling a bit petty too by this point. However, there was a police officer speaking to drivers about their parking to ensure it was safe as it was near a school. I parked there and the police officer stopped me and said she'd had a complaint about people blocking the drive. I pointed out there was no dropped kerb and she immediately said, "Oh, you're absolutely right. Carry on."

This morning it was again the only available space but today there was a car on the drive and seemingly new residents. I parked up as usual to find the man from the house opposite screaming at me again in front of my kids that I was blocking the drive and now the new resident of the house coming out to join in. I tried to keep my cool but it is quite intimidating having 2 men shouting at you in public especially with young children. I said I needed to get the kids to school but they were misinformed if they thought it was a drive as it didn't have a dropped kerb and actually he was in the wrong for driving his car over the pedestrian footpath. Neither of them were listening though as they just kept shouting over the top of me.

When I came back to my car he had taken a photo of it and then a photo of me and told me he was reporting me to the police. I again tried to explain about the lack of dropped kerb and he flat out told me that was not true, that he had the right to create a driveway whereever he wanted and that actually parking on the street full stop (driveway or no driveway) was against the law and he should know because he is a lawyer. I told him he was speaking rubbish and to look on the council website as it is very clear.

Up to now I've parked in other spots if they have been available but AIBU to keep parking in front of this "drive" just to make a point because they have pissed me off?

OP posts:
imadeitnice · 22/11/2022 15:59

I live in a road that has a short cut to a primary school. The school is a good 10-15 minute walk away. But every drop off and pick up is a pain for those living in my street. Nobody can get on or off their drives, there's groups of parents chatting on the corners of the street blocking the path. If I'd known I wouldn't have bought here.
YABU and and whether they have a dropped kerb yet is irrelevant. They've asked you not to and you admittedly keep doing it to be petty. You don't trump the residents

Luckyducker · 22/11/2022 16:00

I wouldn't start a war or annoy somebody else for no good reason. I try to park where I am not inconveniencing others.

Readaboutyourself · 22/11/2022 16:02

What if the new owner has mobility issues too?

It just doesn’t seem worth all the agro.

AmongstTheCosmos · 22/11/2022 16:03

You're not doing anything wrong by parking there.

People who live near schools are often very odd about parking. You knew it was near a school when you moved there. So accept that people will be doing the school run twice a day and don't get your knickers in a twist! If you don't like the idea of that the best thing is not to move near to a school.

But I do think you should be careful - you don't want them to escalate to damaging the car (or worse, you.)

LoveShitJokes · 22/11/2022 16:03

Human beings are arseholes

ChicCroissant · 22/11/2022 16:04

Getting your children to school does not mean you can park blocking his car in, whether it has a drop down or not - I can't believe you said that and walked off leaving your car there. Even if you don't care about the residents (and you clearly don't) what about your children - why would you deliberately subject them to being shouted at when you know what will happen when you park there? Your need to be right has overtaken common sense in this case - just park somewhere else and the school run will be more pleasant for all concerned.

TabithaTittlemouse · 22/11/2022 16:04

We don’t have a drop kerb (no pavements), would you park across our drive?

You can see it’s being used as a drive, you’ve been told it’s being used as a drive so why would you insist on continuing to park there? You said that people are courteous of people who live in these streets but you are not doing that yourself.

carefulcalculator · 22/11/2022 16:06

Why are you determined to have this argument - what is in it for you? Just park elsewhere.

Ellie1015 · 22/11/2022 16:06

the space is available because it is being used as a drive even if not an official one with a dropped kerb. Parking there is rude.

Riverlee · 22/11/2022 16:09

Although technically it may not be an official drive, out of politeness you don’t park there. How would you feel if you were blocked in on a daily basis?

mrsm43s · 22/11/2022 16:10

Whilst you might be right on a technicality, the reality is that you are acting like a selfish, entitled dick.

Park somewhere else.

Santagiveyoursackawash · 22/11/2022 16:12

I would report them for intimidating behaviour. The police know the law. And it's on your side..

saraclara · 22/11/2022 16:12

You might be entitled to park there, but why would you expose your kids to this kind of verbal aggression?

DonutWorry · 22/11/2022 16:12

You're right of course, but I wouldn't park there mainly to avoid having grown men sound off in front of my kids and also they sound like the types to let your tires down. You could try reporting them to the council of you really want to piss them off.

HideTheCroissants · 22/11/2022 16:13

They might be waiting for a dropped kerb. Here you can’t have a dropped kerb put in until you’ve put in a “driveway”, then you can apply but it is currently a six to nine month wait. I know this because I’ve been helping an elderly neighbour with getting his “driveway” sorted.

diddl · 22/11/2022 16:14

If you're waiting for the kerb to be dropped then you surely park on the road?

cattreatsanddragrace · 22/11/2022 16:15

You're being a dick to park there but not illegal - but you know this already. So not sure why you're bothering to ask.

I was in the process of applying for a dropped kerb (which depending on the council can take ages) when I moved house and people would regularly block me in. It's a dick move.

HeddaGarbled · 22/11/2022 16:16

Why would you continue to do something that you know is upsetting someone a lot?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/11/2022 16:17

Difficult. Of course, you are in the right, but if everything these days is all about how you identify, maybe a front garden without a dropped kerb can identify as a drive these days....

The dropped kerb isn't just a case of making it legal, but it's also an acknowledgement that this part of the street has been designated that it cannot be parked on. Otherwise, how can you possibly know every house that could have a quadricycle/trailer/go-kart/whatever in the shed and might want access? We'd end up never being able to park in any residential streets - even those where we ourselves live - just in case somebody might want to cross the pavement with something to get easy access on to/across the road.

Also, there are surveys that have to be made by law before a dropped kerb can be installed - to check whether it is a safe place to be slowly entering/leaving the traffic flow (e.g. not on a blind bend) and that the surface is strong enough, without jeopardising any pipes or utilities installed underground.

If he is a lawyer, I'm guessing he is the same one who sent the OP in the recent thread a demand for thousands of pounds of damages because their fence panel fell down!

I did read of a similar case some time ago where a householder was determined to use their front garden as a drive and refused to listen to the council telling them they mustn't; so the council ended up putting a bollard or two on the pavement to prevent access.

bewarethetides · 22/11/2022 16:17

I'd tell him he needs to refresh his legal training as he clearly doesn't have a clue what the law actually is. I'd point out you've already conferred with a police officer about his 'not drive' while they were on the street, so perhaps he needs to do the same.

I'd also whip out my own phone and record/video him shouting and threatening me and my children in a public place. Threaten to ask the police talk to him about intimidating, harassing behaviour.

I'd also not park there again as he's likely to damage your car.

HeraldicBlazoning · 22/11/2022 16:17

I imagine it is annoying for the people who live there

you imagine right.

Impossible to get out of our street between 8.45 and 9.05, and again from 2.45 to 3.05 because of selfish parents who are "only going to be 2 minutes" and who think it's their god given right to drop their precious pickles as close as humanly possible to the school gates, never mind who they are blocking in or inconveniencing.

Park further away. Do not block people's access to their homes.

(and before someone snidely asks why we moved next door to a school, when we moved here there were 240 children in the school. There are now almost 500).

PostForJoy · 22/11/2022 16:18

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Withdrawn at OP's request

BinBandit · 22/11/2022 16:19

Your behaviour sounds equally as dickish to be honest.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/11/2022 16:19

I wonder if the man who lives opposite bought the house (cheaply) to do up and rent out - and is charging a premium in the rent because he's told the tenants that it has a 'drive' when it clearly doesn't.

KatherineJaneway · 22/11/2022 16:21

It might not be illegal but given how irate this man is, I would not park there in the future. What if his behaviour escalates? I would choose another parking spot.

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