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To keep parking in front of this "drive"?

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Droppingthekerb · 22/11/2022 15:40

Sorry it's a long one. I'll start off by saying that due to mobility issues I do drive my children to school which is about 1.5 miles from our house. I do not however qualify for a blue badge.

There are several residential streets near the school where people park to take kids to the school. I imagine it is annoying for the people who live there but there are no restrictions on the road in terms of yellow lines etc and generally I'd say people are respectful of the residents. There are a couple of cars who park overhanging the yellow zigzags and some on bends but for the most part people park at the side of the road and don't block driveways. Dropped kerbs are marked with white lines so it is clear where it is ok to park.

I tend to park on the street one up from the school as usually it is quieter and there's more chance of getting a space. Until recently there was a house on the street that had fallen into disrepair with an overgrown front garden. Over the last couple of months there have been tradespeople coming and doing up the house and now the front garden has been paved over. About 2 weeks ago I parked in front of this house and a man came running out of the house opposite shouting at me that I couldn't park there as I was blocking a drive. I had my kids with me and told him I did not appreciate being shouted at in front of them especially as there was no dropped kerb so it wasn't a driveway. There wasn't a car parked on it either. He stormed off back into his house.

A few days later I saw the space was available and as it was raining there were a lot of extra cars on the school run so spots were at a premium. I parked there again and returned to a note on my car not to block driveways.

I don't park there every time as there are other spaces available often before I get to that spot but last week I was running late for pick up and noticed the space was free again - I was feeling a bit petty too by this point. However, there was a police officer speaking to drivers about their parking to ensure it was safe as it was near a school. I parked there and the police officer stopped me and said she'd had a complaint about people blocking the drive. I pointed out there was no dropped kerb and she immediately said, "Oh, you're absolutely right. Carry on."

This morning it was again the only available space but today there was a car on the drive and seemingly new residents. I parked up as usual to find the man from the house opposite screaming at me again in front of my kids that I was blocking the drive and now the new resident of the house coming out to join in. I tried to keep my cool but it is quite intimidating having 2 men shouting at you in public especially with young children. I said I needed to get the kids to school but they were misinformed if they thought it was a drive as it didn't have a dropped kerb and actually he was in the wrong for driving his car over the pedestrian footpath. Neither of them were listening though as they just kept shouting over the top of me.

When I came back to my car he had taken a photo of it and then a photo of me and told me he was reporting me to the police. I again tried to explain about the lack of dropped kerb and he flat out told me that was not true, that he had the right to create a driveway whereever he wanted and that actually parking on the street full stop (driveway or no driveway) was against the law and he should know because he is a lawyer. I told him he was speaking rubbish and to look on the council website as it is very clear.

Up to now I've parked in other spots if they have been available but AIBU to keep parking in front of this "drive" just to make a point because they have pissed me off?

OP posts:
OhmygodDont · 24/11/2022 18:01

HideTheCroissants · 24/11/2022 17:54

It really does vary by council!

no planning permission needed for the average drive here - it’s only needed if the area is greater than 5 sq metres AND you are using non permeable materials with no soakaway. BUT only the council themselves can do the dropped kerb. There’s a long wait and for a drop that is just a single car width it is THOUSANDS! I paid for mine well over 20 years ago and it cost around £2k - having the kerb done was actually more expensive as having the drive done with block paving.

We luckily get the choice of five companies who are approved and then it was about a three week wait. We did do a double width though which is really a triple because it joins onto our neighbours single.

woodhill · 24/11/2022 18:10

Mine was already dropped but we were lucky as council were redoing road and we paid to have ours widened whilst re doing our drive

Was very much worth it and a reasonable cost

Whalesong · 24/11/2022 18:25

OhmygodDont · 24/11/2022 17:42

You don’t need planning permission for most dropped kerbs only certain ones. We didn’t need planning for ours and we triple checked and when you do need planning it’s not because your taking a space away it’s because of the roads usage and structures on the road and areas around for visibility.

you just need a permit and to use a council approved guy to drop the kerb. They put in for a permit to work on the high way at around £250 council grants permit done. Nobody at all ever came to check or needed drawings or anything. Nobody asked what we were using on our land either be that gravel or paving. We did use gravel though.

So it completely varies by each council.

The paving over more than 5 square metres of front garden does require planning permission everywhere in the UK unless you use a permeable material such as gravel - which you did. You may well have faced questions if you'd block paved it instead - but you clearly did your research.
I didn't mention the 5 square metres in my previous comments as very few drives will be that small. If the man in the OP has paved over the front garden as described and the area is more than 5 square metres then he did need planning permission.

Legallypinkish · 24/11/2022 18:33

woodhill · 22/11/2022 18:18

I wish someone would come round and stick a ticket on the cars parked in the front garden with no dropped kerbs

Mind you I wouldn't park there as I wouldn't want those two shouting at you but who thinks it is ok to drive over a pavement

Well you still have to drive over the pavement even with a dropped kerb!

Theunamedcat · 24/11/2022 18:34

Legallypinkish · 24/11/2022 18:33

Well you still have to drive over the pavement even with a dropped kerb!

You get given permission when you get an official dropped kerb

diddl · 24/11/2022 18:41

Well you still have to drive over the pavement even with a dropped kerb!

The pavement is strengthened though.

woodhill · 24/11/2022 19:07

And it's dropped properly and lowered so you are not driving and destroying a kerbConfused

silverclock222 · 24/11/2022 19:10

diddl · 24/11/2022 18:41

Well you still have to drive over the pavement even with a dropped kerb!

The pavement is strengthened though.

No it really isn't.....

Legallypinkish · 24/11/2022 19:18

Theunamedcat · 24/11/2022 18:34

You get given permission when you get an official dropped kerb

Eh? No it isn’t 😂

they just remove the regular curbs and put in the dropped ones filling in any patches with tarmac .

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/11/2022 19:20

I'm guessing that most pavements don't need to be strengthened, BUT the council will have plans showing what is where underground and any areas of lower specification/older/unverified (i.e. weaker) pavement, so that they can check whether there may be any issues with driving over it and if any reinforcement work would be required first.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 24/11/2022 19:21

diddl · 24/11/2022 18:41

Well you still have to drive over the pavement even with a dropped kerb!

The pavement is strengthened though.

Mine was not

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/11/2022 19:23

I'm guessing that enough repeated revving head-on against a full-height kerb will eventually damage the tarmac on the road side (as well as the car's engine). The only other solution would be to keep ramps in your car and put them out just when you want to mount the pavement - but 99 out of 100 people who do this would just expect to leave their ramps there as a hazard permanently.

Droppingthekerb · 24/11/2022 22:09

I don't think there's much more I can add to my last post. On balance I'm not going to antagonise for the sake of my kids. I still think they are aggressive, entitled arseholes but it's not worth how it could escalate.
To the people who said he might be waiting for his dropped kerb to be done, I think he would have mentioned it so find it unlikely.

I don't think I'm usually a dick and I'd never block a dropped kerb. I didn't park there when it was raining because I wanted to be closer to the school but because there were more cars on the streets that day due to the rain so spaces were limited.
I just read another thread where the person was the owner of a house with a double drive but only a single dropped kerb and everyone thought she was unreasonable as the un-dropped part was fair game.
So I still disagree that it's a drive but I'm not going to risk getting my car keyed or yelled at again to make a point. I may report him to the council for driving over the pavement though.

OP posts:
Daffodilsandtuplips · 01/02/2023 14:03

Let him crack on and report you to the police. If he’s a lawyer, he must have missed the lectures on street parking or he’d know the rules about dropped curbs and by not having one he’s risking being fined by the council for damaging the curb and pavement by driving over it. Hopefully the police will re-educate him,
However I’d park elsewhere, he’s a dick and needs another bloke to intimidate a disabled woman if front of her children. I wouldn’t take the risk of him keying the car.

SouperNoodle · 01/02/2023 15:41

Daffodilsandtuplips · 01/02/2023 14:03

Let him crack on and report you to the police. If he’s a lawyer, he must have missed the lectures on street parking or he’d know the rules about dropped curbs and by not having one he’s risking being fined by the council for damaging the curb and pavement by driving over it. Hopefully the police will re-educate him,
However I’d park elsewhere, he’s a dick and needs another bloke to intimidate a disabled woman if front of her children. I wouldn’t take the risk of him keying the car.

Zombie thread

girlfriend44 · 01/02/2023 15:42

yabu park somewhere else.

tirednewmumm · 01/02/2023 15:50

Daffodilsandtuplips · 01/02/2023 14:03

Let him crack on and report you to the police. If he’s a lawyer, he must have missed the lectures on street parking or he’d know the rules about dropped curbs and by not having one he’s risking being fined by the council for damaging the curb and pavement by driving over it. Hopefully the police will re-educate him,
However I’d park elsewhere, he’s a dick and needs another bloke to intimidate a disabled woman if front of her children. I wouldn’t take the risk of him keying the car.

Hopefully op sorted it out between November and now Grin

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