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To ignore friends hints for money

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Moneylender · 22/11/2022 10:08

I have a friend who told me a couple of weeks ago on a night out that she had no money, and was in a bit of debt. She has two very young children and said she only had £30 to last a few weeks. I’d had a drink so didn’t think about the logistics behind her being out, but ended up settling our bill, DH also gave her £100 to get her through the week.

A few days later I lent her £500 but I’ve told her I can wait until after Christmas for the money back, seen as she has children and we are not struggling financially.

Since then she’s hinted a couple of times that she is really stressed / struggling mentally over this debt and only needs “x” amount more to be out of the red. I have said that she shouldn’t be getting into more debt to clear others but she just keeps reiterating how hard it is so I’ve started ignoring her.

I feel extremely guilty, but DH has said under no circumstances am I to give her any more money. He also doesn’t know it was £500 I lent her out of my savings, just that I lent money. I’m not working as I’m starting my own business, so DH is the only income we have so it is really up to him.

To add, since I have been ignoring her hints she hasn’t really messaged much, whereas she would usually text me multiple times a day/ call over for coffee etc.

I think I could have lost a friend over this, and we are only in the area a few months. DH works a lot and I don’t want to be lonely, but then another part of me thinks that she knows this and is trying to take advantage of me. What are your thoughts mumsnetters?

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whatyouhavethough · 23/11/2022 19:24

Moneylender · 22/11/2022 12:27

Hahaa I think it’s just an Irish saying 🤷🏽‍♀️😂 DH is Irish he says it all the time. They certainly have a way with words. His county are known for being “tight” with money, another Irish legend they have is that copper wire was invented by two men from his town fighting over a penny. 😂😂😂

That would be a Cavan man then 🤣🤣

Jaxxy · 23/11/2022 19:25

You are a very kind person to have done what you have already and your DH is absolutely right on not giving her any more. If she comes back again, the best thing you can do is suggest she gets help from citizens advice on managing her debt, it sounds out of control. They are very good and will review everything with her.

eelieza · 23/11/2022 19:31

I wouldnt ditch her because you dont know what the circumstances are. She may not want to tell you about her finances are, but she might if she was bold enough to tell you that she only has £30 for two weeks. First she needs to tell citizens advice bureau and get some debt advice and for her to explain to them shes only got so much and that shes had to borrow from friends. Maybe a referral to social services because £30 for two weeks is pretty grim.

Adviceneeded200 · 23/11/2022 19:33

I'd help her to make a budget and repayment plan. Help her to see if she's applying for everything she is entitled to.

If she won't allow you to, I think you are stuffed. Quite a possibility given she was out on the town the night she said she had nothing.

However, she might be grateful for the help and if having written a budget you can see she simply doesn't have any way of repaying you, then at least you know and don't need to lose a friend over it.

There's always a chance she can cut corners and repay you, even a fiver a month, might settle her mind that she is doing something.

My brother had money issues when he was 17. My parents offered to help him with some money towards it if I helped him write a budget (I was a trainee accountant at the time). They made us both go to the bank and show the bank manager (shows my age!) What his plan was to get out of overdraft and we both learned a great deal from that experience.

You'd be surprised just how bad some people are with money and I guess some remain so, but others having it written down is a light bulb moment.

Benjieandjacksmum · 23/11/2022 19:35

Are you her mother? !Why the tone of voice?! The op has done a lovely thing and was taken advantage of. I really don't understand where the victim blaming is coming from.

Rosscameasdoody · 23/11/2022 19:36

Any money you’ve lent her, you should write off - you won’t see it again. Don’t see this as losing a friend - see it as losing someone who thinks nothing of presenting a sob story to get you to give her money. Make it clear you need the money back by a certain date and don’t fall for this again.

00kitty · 23/11/2022 19:37

Wow op you’ve been really generous which is lovely for her and hopefully she is genuine and will pay you back though alarm bells are ringing that she is asking you for more so soon - did she not budget the £600 you gave her at all?
also why would she agree to go on a night out if she has nothing? If I were your friend and you suggested a night out and I was skint I would have said ‘love to but totally skint but if you fancy bringing a bottle round mine we can have a drink and when my finances are better I’ll return the favour’

Going forward I couldn’t ignore her I would text her and say something like ‘I’m really sorry to hear you are still struggling, I was hoping the loan I lent you would have seen you through. Unfortunately as you know I’m not in paid employment as trying to get a new business off the ground and have no income of my own so can’t lend you anymore. Feel free to pop in for a cuppa sometime and a chat’

I’m also hoping some terms of repayment were agreed as fear you may never see your £500 again.
when you see her hopefully you can signpost her to services that can help- most councils have a whole webpage at present on various offerings of support from themselves and partner organisations.

Wibbly1008 · 23/11/2022 19:37

Let her contact you now. No more cash though OP…let’s see if it’s a friend she wants or a cheque book…

Reigateforever · 23/11/2022 19:40

As she can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel, how about suggesting that you will help her by making appointments or accompanying her to citizen advice or similar official dept. They may find that she isn’t claiming everything she could and how to manage the debts she has. A bit, some may think rude but it could be the shove she needs.

AhNowTed · 23/11/2022 19:44

@Moneylender so your husband's from Cavan 😀

Seriously, I was in this situation.

Someone I hadn't heard of or seen in 20 years asked me for money.

I realised after that they must have already burned through all their family and friends, and I was at the bottom of the list, but they knew I had the money.

Lesson learned OP.

Grrrrdarling · 23/11/2022 19:48

Moneylender · 22/11/2022 10:08

I have a friend who told me a couple of weeks ago on a night out that she had no money, and was in a bit of debt. She has two very young children and said she only had £30 to last a few weeks. I’d had a drink so didn’t think about the logistics behind her being out, but ended up settling our bill, DH also gave her £100 to get her through the week.

A few days later I lent her £500 but I’ve told her I can wait until after Christmas for the money back, seen as she has children and we are not struggling financially.

Since then she’s hinted a couple of times that she is really stressed / struggling mentally over this debt and only needs “x” amount more to be out of the red. I have said that she shouldn’t be getting into more debt to clear others but she just keeps reiterating how hard it is so I’ve started ignoring her.

I feel extremely guilty, but DH has said under no circumstances am I to give her any more money. He also doesn’t know it was £500 I lent her out of my savings, just that I lent money. I’m not working as I’m starting my own business, so DH is the only income we have so it is really up to him.

To add, since I have been ignoring her hints she hasn’t really messaged much, whereas she would usually text me multiple times a day/ call over for coffee etc.

I think I could have lost a friend over this, and we are only in the area a few months. DH works a lot and I don’t want to be lonely, but then another part of me thinks that she knows this and is trying to take advantage of me. What are your thoughts mumsnetters?

I have lent friends money but i know them well & only lend it if I can afford to.
You have only known this lady for a short while & while what you have done is very nice it does sound like she might be trying her luck.
Personally if she is struggling so badly she shouldn’t be having nights out, as much as a night out can help you de-stress.
What she does need to do is take responsibility for her situation, contact debt matters or CAB & get some financial advice. In some cases they may be able to write some of her debt off & get companies to stop hounding her but she needs to get help.

I wouldn’t be lending her anymore money, your partner is right on that one, but I would offer to help her contact the above services, point her in the right direction to get out of the situation she has found herself in & be there for her emotionally.
If she accepts this support & help you will know better if she is genuine or just chancing her luck & seeing you as a cash cow.

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Brackensmomma · 23/11/2022 20:27

Was really lovely of you to lend her the money but I feel she will continue to drop hints ask or beg for more if you give her more money.
So please don't.. I don't want you to be upset but I think she saw you as a easy target and a cash flow. I hope I'm wrong and she is sat there feeling guilty and trying to work out
How to pay you back and rescue your friendship.

You've been so kind and generous not many people would have handed her £600. But please please let that be the last.
Make sure that you get your money back.

Good luck..
But remember this old saying
Never a lender or borrower be.
That way you want be in this situation again.

VestaTilley · 23/11/2022 20:39

Are you saying you’ve only known her a few months? And you’ve leant her £600?! Madness!

Do not lend her any more. She’s using you. Get the money back in the New Year and do not lend her a penny more.

NoPaintedPony · 23/11/2022 20:50

You’re not a friend - you’re an ATM
She's abusing your kindness

NewStartIn50s · 23/11/2022 20:56

£600 given to her and she's out on the town with you. She's a user and you won't get that money back, will attempt to get more from you and disappear into a puff of indignant smoke when you ask for it back or say you have no more.

You've been had.

Metabigot · 23/11/2022 21:06

Mugs are for drinking out of not lending money to so called friends...

mediumbrownmug · 23/11/2022 22:09

We had this happen decently recently. DH had connected over Facebook with someone he’d known in high school (I’ll call him Frank), but they had never been particularly close. DH is as friendly as they come, and they quickly bonded over movies and video games and such, and it wasn’t long before the stories started pouring in. First, Frank and his wife had a new baby and so we sent a (non monetary) gift. Then Frank’s wife ended up in the hospital with a health condition, and that’s when it all started. Frank began texting DH about how he needed money to pay the hospital (we’re American). He started texting about how he lost his job and they had a new baby and had fallen out with their family and how hard it all was. He posted online about how their family wasn’t offering “support.”

DH mentioned this to me, and my eyebrows went up immediately. Over here, hospitals bill you over time and if you cannot pay there are options for that. (They have to treat you regardless.) Then Frank told DH that he needed to borrow a certain amount of money for the hospital bill. DH came to me, and I told him firmly but kindly that the story seemed off and why would Frank’s first port of call for money be someone he had only reconnected on Facebook with a few weeks ago, that he barely knew from high school?

DH was still agonizing about his friend because he’s generous to a fault. I’d suffered significant health problems in the past and had no problem paying that money forward into the universe or what have you, so I told DH to give Frank the money but by no means lend it. I said honestly that we wouldn’t get it back, the story was suspicious, and I didn’t want DH hurt by that. I also told DH that if Frank was asking for X amount, he almost certainly needed more. And I was right. The sum went up (Frank asked for as much as we could give, I chose a slightly higher number that made sense for us to afford to give away), we gave it as a gift and that was that.

Until it wasn’t. A couple of weeks later DH got another text about how Frank needed another large amount (equal to the last amount, given not two weeks before) to make ends meet. DH said he’d have to think about it and ask me, and then Frank went into a bit of a panic and started calling and texting about how his wife didn’t know and he had hidden it from her so as not to exacerbate her health condition, and how he had to have it soon, and he’d had a job interview that had gone well, and would pay us back the next month when he probably got the job, etc.

DH was heartbroken, because he knew at that point what it was. Frank asked how long it would take DH to think about it, and DH said the next morning so he could talk to me. Frank ramped up the texts in the meantime, promising to tell his wife, then claiming he just told his wife, promising to pay us back the first gift if we lent this amount, and all kinds of things he thought might up his chances. We politely declined, and the texts stopped.

And I mean really stopped. Frank texted DH once in awhile to say hi but things were never the same again.

OP, the parallels with your story are uncanny. When people lean on friends to bail them out financially, it really does mean they’ve tapped out everyone else and that happens for a reason. Anyone can get into a tight spot, but when the stories don’t add up and when the requests pile on, when they have money for other things but need to borrow yours and guilt you into giving or lending it, it’s never a good idea to get involved. I’m getting the same kind of vibes from your friend’s story as I did Frank’s. All these kinds of stories might have different beginnings, but they always have the same ending, don’t you think?

vera99 · 23/11/2022 22:35

Sorry but the lesson is universal and timeless;

Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine ownself be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell: my blessing season this in thee

Pliudev · 23/11/2022 23:55

Sometimes, when you've experienced being hard up yourself, it's impossible to ignore someone in need when you can afford to help. But honestly OP, you have to stop this now. You are unlikely to be re-paid, but more importantly, run the risk of damaging your relationship if you are keeping your loan secret. Walk away and learn the lesson that not everyone is as nice as you are.

Mamanyt · 23/11/2022 23:55

IF you are feeling horribly guilty, then drop off a supply of groceries to her...or, offer to pay a bill DIRECTLY to the company it is owed to. No more case. But I'd make very sure that this is needed. I bet, when the cash stops, she'll move on to someone else.

Dibbydoos · 24/11/2022 08:15

Point her in the direction of citizens advice. They can help her work herself out of debt. Go with her if you can but def don't lend her the money. She needs to work through this herself so she doesn't fall into the debt trap again.

I personally don't think she is using you, she's probably desperate.

WadiShab · 24/11/2022 09:05

I have no issue helping a friend or family but when I do so I keep two things in mind. My brother told me the first one and second I learnt the hard after lending money to a friend. First many but not all people we do what they want with their money and do what the NEED to do with yours. Before knowing you would settle the bill, she wanted a night out so she did just that... second I tend to only lend what I would be prepared to take on the chin if it was never paid back.

She is definitely taking advantage. She is not a friend if the condition of her hanging out with you is dependent on how willing you are to be her bank.

You deserve better friends.

Personally I'd sit back and watch, what happens now will confirm what you probablyalready know. Make clear when you want the money back that you've already given.

Don't feel guilty, you've tried to be a friend.

Side note. A friend of mine years ago asked to borrow a small amount and would give it back. I had to take it from my savings which I did. In conversation prior to her giving it back she casually told me I was a life saver as she would have had to take it from her savings had I not stepped in and see didn't want to do that because she wouldn't have the discipline to put it back! She did pay me back on time. I did tell her she was out of order and she apologised never been an issue since. My point is if you call her out she may realise her behaviour.

Hope you get your money back.

sue20 · 24/11/2022 10:54

Jaybird43 · 22/11/2022 10:54

You are a kind soul, @Moneylender - just think, she could've done good things with that money (i.e. gifts for her children that otherwise could have gone without). I wouldn't lend anymore to her now, but you did a very nice thing x

Agree. Not enough on here pointing this out. Anyone can fold their arms and suck breath in “you’ve done a silly thing she saw you coming etc”. There are far more unwise ways to lose money. Hopefully the children get some treats as a result. You know don’t “lend” any more. Let’s hope you might get some back. Sorry to raise this but any chance she may have drink/drug issue? Not always obvious.