To finally want Scotland to now LEAVE the UK

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Am looking at this new gender bill being debated in Scotland in shock and horror. I just think it is a barbaric attack on women's safety and rights plus kids safeguarding. What on earth is happening Scotland?

Men being allowed to identify as women with no medical assessment and after only 3 months of ‘living as a woman’ - whatever that means. Wearing high heels and lipstick? Certainly they will still have their tackle intact.

Then being able to enter our changing rooms and bathrooms, take our company board places and sports prizes, skew the gender pay gap data and crime data, give intimate care to our vulnerable disabled daughters and elderly mothers. No surprise which type of men will be attracted using this new law to identify as women. Let me spell it out - the violent depraved ones who want to access women and girls.

And voted through yesterday - allowing convicted male rapists to identify as women and enter womens prisons.

And on top of all this - lowering the age of transition from 18 to 16… where is this age lowering coming from I wonder….surely not something more sinister…

To top of off Scotland has deliberately ignored the Cass Report and NHS England on safeguarding teenagers and so is carrying on giving vulnerable teenagers irreversible puberty blockers and breast binders behind parents backs.

And the icing on the cake - when a woman dares to speak out and wear a scarf with the colours of the suffragettes - she gets thrown out of parliament. I feel Scotland has gone back 100 years.

I am scared now this Scottish loophole in law will enter the UK as a whole.

I dunno what the answer is, but there was once a time people were revolted at the thought of black people sharing the same space as them and now we are horrified that humans could have been so cruel and closed minded

Oh please just FUCK OFF dragging us into this argument. Every tine I hear this I get the rage. What has this got to do with black folk? We didn’t ask to trample on other people’s rights while fighting for our own, we are not biologically different to other humans despite many attempts to claim otherwise and our fight for equality is not comparable in any way. For fuck sake just stop with the ‘what about black people’ arguments!

@Dotjones have you ever been raped?

do you know what it is like for a’ man trying to reduce you to a ‘thing’, less than human.

you do know that many women in prison have already been massively abused by men ? Often the reason they ended up in prison.

You know the expression’there but for the grace of god go I?’

I hope your life remains sunshine & sparkles.

@Dotjones wtf!? That’s probably the most vile thing I’ve ever read.

SNP voter here, came on to look at the Nicola hate, but fuck me…. You genuinely think that if you are in a womens prison that you deserve to be scared that you might be raped?

Honestly, mumsnet comes out with crazy shit, but that’s the most insane and repulsive thing I’ve ever heard.

For the record I think gender issues are very problematic and I think going forward not even as a country but an entire western society will be very difficult when taking these issues into account. But I do think some of the comments on this thread a thinly veiled transphobia and automatically jump to conclusions about what this policy would mean for the majority of Scottish women.

I dont wouldnt like scotland to split from the uk. I think were stronger together. Both countries would be weakened by the split

Mixed sex prisons are cruel and unusual punishment for women and are banned by the Geneva Convention.

I love Scotland as a country. But why are they supporting this barbarism?

Do women get a choice in any of this? Or is it only males (regardless of how they identify) who get a choice?

The solution is not to turn our back on Scottish women. As far as my limited understanding goes, they tend to have a hard time, and need our solidarity.

That was supposed to be:

I wouldnt like scotland to split from the uk. I think were stronger together. Both countries would be weakened by the split

How was Sally Anne Dixon able to enter into an inappropriate relationship with a prisoner if she was segregated etc?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268259/Transgender-paedophile-moved-prison-wings-starting-relationship-female-inmate.html

They have sent a male bodied paedophile sex offender to a woman’s prison.

@Askinforabaskin what comments are thinly veiled transphobia?

@VinoDino how about suggesting that we should all be worried that trans women will be pushing our daughters off the podium when it comes to sports and careers?

Whilst I can see that there are probably some disgusting individuals out there who could see this as an opportunity to target the vulnerable, and that rightly needs to be discussed. The suggestion that people are motivated to become trans as it will open doors from then into sports and careers is absurd and shows a real lack of understanding. There are no 16 or 18 year old boys out there having a tough time thinking ‘hey I know what will make my life easier, I’ll become trans and I’ll win those sports and it will open doors for me professionally.’ Becoming trans does not make someone’s life easier, in most cases it makes peoples lives harder.

I am currently pregnant with a girl, and worrying about her coming second to a trans girl in a sporting event hadn’t even crossed my mind. I doubt it crosses the mind of very many parents at all. What does concern me is increased polarisation in this country, and how that could affect any one whether they choose to be a woman, man, trans, non binary , penguin whatever.

You’d think, but this whole thing is spreading like social contagion, entering our language, medical institutions, politics…

Still No for me.

Does Nicola sturgeon or her husband Mr sturgeon have family/friend who's transitioned so have personal experience which is why she has pushed for this. ?

@Askinforabaskin it's not not happening though is it. It's happened, so for many it is a valid concern and it's not transphobic to say so.

Lia Thomas the swimmer competed as a male with mediocre results. Now competes as a woman with all the physiological advantages of a male body thus denying a woman a place and has now started being on the podium (quelle surprise).

The female swimmers were too scared to speak out for fear of losing their scholarships but are braving it now stating Lia walked about the changing room with their penis out and still 'pulls' females.

The transwoman cyclist, against competed as a man, didn't get very far as is now a woman.

Still failing to see the transphobia in speaking out against males in women's sports.

@Askinforabaskin you are so naive. It is already happening. Of course men are going to pretend to be women if it means they get to abuse and dominate! And please! These woman hating men do not make their lives more difficult when they get to steal women's sex based rights, access vulnerable girls and women and take scholarships meant for women.

And no one can 'choose' to be anything. You
are a woman, man, whatever, or you aren't. You can live your life the way you think is most authentic to you, but it shouldn't be at the expensive of another.

@Askinforabaskin

Are you sure it’s not happening?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

How comfortable are you with a woman missing out on recognition because of this?

It doesn't matter what the person's motivation is - males competing against females are being unfair to women, and in some sports dangerous. Various sporting bodies are beginning to realise this.
Sport is divided by sex, because humans are dimorphic. There is no justification for arbitrarily changing this to be a division based on 'gender'.

There are trans people who agree with this, of course.

I fully support Scotland getting independence if that is what they wish and decide

If they get into financial trouble, Brussels will help them out, assuming Spain does not veto them joining

If people are unhappy with the SNP, vote them out at the next GE 👍👍

A glimpse into the UK's future

https://twitter.com/skirtgoo_spinny/status/1593625063483392002?s=46&t=6KcfYOJWQSBzKcvjaGT9ZA

What this really comes down to is are trans women being counted as real women?

From the replies people have made the answer is yes they are being counted as real women but people view that as being unfair as you see trans women as having some advantage over women who are born as women.

IMO the process of becoming trans undergoing surgery or hormone therapy negates this.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lia-thomas-trans-swimmer-ron-desantis-b2091218.html%3Famp

What complicates things is the mention that trans women can start identifying as women without any treatment after only 3 months, which in contact sports could obviously be dangerous. However, saying that I doubt there are many trans women built like Mike Tindall who can’t wait to start playing women’s rugby as it will give them the edge they never had playing for a men’s team. Also the RFU have already reviewed their policy stating at this time they will not allow trans women to compete www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-council-votes-in-favour-of-change-to-gender-participation-policy
Surely this is a case for each governing sporting body to decide on evidence they have available?

As for taking away scholarships from low income girls, this doesn’t mean there are middle class trans girls taking them away. They will have to face the same means testing, and again surely the complications and stigma of becoming trans could indeed put trans people at an even greater disadvantage.

Anyway I’ve had enough screen time today. Good night to everyone except the person who said women in prison deserve to be raped, I hope your next shit is a hedgehog.

I hope your next shit is a hedgehog.

love it

IMO the process of becoming trans undergoing surgery or hormone therapy negates this.

Did you not read the link you provided to the RFU decision? I'll take science over opinion.

The review and consultation concluded that detailed peer reviewed research provides evidence that there are physical differences between those people whose sex originally recorded as male and those as female at birth, and advantages in strength, stamina and physique brought about by testosterone and male puberty are significant and retained even after testosterone suppression.

Poor hedgehog!

A sex offender would be in a sex offending wing not with a woman that hasn't paid her TV licence.

You are wrong.

So much misinformation and hysteria here

Yes you are full of misinformation. The misogynistic term for women expressing concern about women's rights and safeguarding is a nice touch.

I think perhaps you should sit this out until you've done some research and know what you're talking about.

Here are two websites about the global impact of gender ideology.

www.womenarehuman.com/

reduxx.info/

Hormone therapy doesn't have the impact you might expect on Trans womens muscle mass. Over 12 months of treatment

"Results: Thigh muscle volume increased (15%) in TM, which was paralleled by increased quadriceps cross-sectional area (CSA) (15%) and radiological density (6%). In TW, the corresponding parameters decreased by -5% (muscle volume) and -4% (CSA), while density remained unaltered. The TM increased strength over the assessment period, while the TW generally maintained their strength levels."

A 5% reduction in muscle volume and maintained strength does not reduce the advantage due to their male biology
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794605/

And that's without considering skeletal size and bone density. Different shaped pelvis and different angle of the femurs.

If you consider the larger average size and strength of trans women compared to biological women then the fact that biological women have a much greater risk of severe concussions becomes particularly worrying.

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02089-2