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To think someone must be able to do something - part two

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PurpleLampShades · 14/11/2022 19:22

I’m starting a new thread as advised by some posters and because the first thread was a great source of support for me (link to first thread here).

Long story short - DS (16) is in a “relationship” with a woman 11 years older than him that I believe started before he turned 16 at the end of July, though they both denied that to police and SS. I tried everything I could think of to stop it but he walked out of the house to stay with her at the end of September and I’m struggling to maintain contact with him. I’ve barely been able to see or speak to him since he left. She has shown very controlling behaviour and he is slowly becoming isolated from me, his friends and hobbies etc. Social services are currently involved, doing an assessment, but have already said it’s very difficult to do much without him consenting to input/intervention so I think they’re trying to prepare me for a poor outcome of the assessment. I am trying to focus on keeping my relationship with him going and ensuring he knows I’m here whenever he needs me and can come home whenever he needs no questions asked.

OP posts:
santaismyname · 28/12/2022 15:45

From a distance it sounds like this woman has Cluster B personality traits. Toxic.
I really feel for you

Babyshadows · 28/12/2022 15:46

You did so well as it sounds 100% like she was trying to get a reaction out of you which would have been perfect for her. It's a classic abusive tactic to make you the bad guy. If you'd have blown up probably she would tell DS you are toxic and he's better off without you. It's good that he came but totally understand why you feel worse for it.

She sounds disgusting wanting to have sex with him in basically his childhood bed 🤢 I'm sorry things feel worse. Keep playing the long game Purple. If he's excusing her behaviour it's because he does recognise it for being wrong/ disfunctional. You've taught him well even if he isn't using any of the skills/ info right now ❤

Dwrcegin · 28/12/2022 16:01

Oh god she is poison isn't she. I'm sorry you had to endure five hours of her, she sounds so fucking manipulative. You are amazing to have remained calm, don't blame you for having a good cry afterwards.

Really glad you got to spend the day with your boy though, that's excellent.

Burgoo · 28/12/2022 16:03

Hi @PurpleLampShades

"They did come over for Xmas day. I had asked DS what some of gf’s favourite drinks/food are so he asked her and then gave me a list. Of course, it was all expensive stuff. I spent £27 on a bottle of champagne only for her to declare (fake) apologetically that it was the wrong one and she couldn’t drink the one I’d bought. She then preceded to gaslight DS into believing he’d got it wrong, rather than the fact she deliberately told him the wrong one, so he spent an hour apologising and waiting on her to make it up to her. Then she couldn’t eat the meat because it was ‘lovely but just a bit too salty for me’. Again, with the fake, sad smile and apology.
She spent the time here monopolising DS and ordering him around. Most uncomfortably, she was all over him, kissing, touching, whispering in his ear, practically in his lap. I had to keep leaving the room to go to the kitchen to avoid it. I even overheard her telling him she wanted to have sex with him in his old bed, though she said it a bit more vulgar than that. I hid in my bedroom for a while with a large gin as I could feel myself getting more and more pissed off with her.
They were here for about 5 hours in total and I barely got a minute alone with DS. I’d like to say it was a lovely time, but it was hideous. I do not want that woman in my house ever again. She is clever and a master manipulator and she has my DS in a tight grip. I don’t know how on earth I’m going to extract him from it."


I agree that someone coming between a parent and child is exhausting, painful and a hideous situation. Were I in the same situation as you I would be pulling my hair out. At the same time, I always want to offer another view (that isn't the "go to" view on MN) and have some thoughts. Please consider them with good intentions...

Firstly what a lovely, thoughtful thing to do for the GF. Many wouldn't have been able to control their anger so well done!

I've highlighted all of the judgmental/emotive stuff and wonder whether you could frame this in objective terms? If she were that good a manipulator you'd have fallen for it, so she can't be as good as all that.

It sounds like you are in a battle here, and the fact is he is going to be a horny teenager, so his genitals are going to win out every time. The more you dig in, the more the GF will have ammunition against you (if that is the intention, I won't make assumptions here).

Could it actually be he forgot the champagne type and the meat WAS a bit too salty? We don't want to assume that everything she says or does is BS, it may be at least partially true. Would you have preferred her to be dishonest and say how lovely everything was? My partner's family put salt on EVERYTHING, whereas my family never seasoned ANYTHING growing up. So a little seasoning for me is like a salt bath!

The sex talk is, however, gross and I think they need reminding that you are his mother and don't need to hear such things. You can be polite about it, just stating the facts and how it isn't comfortable. Remember that it may be that they didn't think you could hear (they were whispering after all) and that they both may see you as an old fuddy duddy!

The learning here is to keep your child(ren) on side and not have them leave the house under a cloud. Play the game, don't cause waves. He will break up with her eventually, he is 16.

In short, yes the whole thing is hideous and painful. If the girlfriend was 17 rather than her actual age, would this be a problem? I am wondering whether the age gap is actually more of an issue than the actual relationship itself. Heck, when I had a partner in my teens then friends, family etc wouldn't hear from me for months!

Badger1970 · 28/12/2022 16:08

@PurpleLampShades it sounds as though she did everything in her power to provoke you and you should be so proud of yourself for not giving her the satisfaction of a reaction. Well done, honestly. As a stranger on the net, I'm really proud of you.

She must have been so pissed off that he wanted to include you in his Christmas plans, and not spend the day gazing adoringly into her eyes. The fact he makes excuses for her is very telling too...

Thedogscollar · 28/12/2022 16:57

@PurpleLampShades
Wow you handled the day brilliantly.
She was goading you but you kept your cool. Keep going I know that's easy for us to say but play the long game. She can't keep up this charade forever.

Cavagirl · 28/12/2022 18:15

Hi @PurpleLampShades
Been following since the start but haven't felt like I have much to add as I don't have a teenage son!
Nevertheless I imagine you must feel quite low so wanted to just point out two things:

  1. as per PP, it's a really good sign he came. She must have absolutely hated every second of the whole thing and put so much pressure on him not to go. Granted she's made it as difficult as possible for you, but she had to come, and she must have absolutely hated that. So there is obviously still such a strong bond to home for your DS, you can take a lot of comfort from that.
  2. You say She is clever and a master manipulator She's really not. She's a 27 year old woman who's trapped a 16 year old boy with all she can offer, which is sex. When I think back to myself aged 27, and everyone on this thread, including you, absolutely no chance can I even imagine wanting something like this with a child. She's absolutely pathetic. 16 years old boys don't take a master manipulator to trap them in such a situation. So - don't be intimidated by her.

Throughout this thread the one thing I've thought will get him out of this is his friends. As far as you can influence, encourage them to stay in touch and keep asking him out. Saying no to your friends because your "girlfriend" won't let you go is a lot less cool than saying no to your mum.

What support are you getting from others? My impression is (apologies if this is now wrong) was that you were keeping the whole situation quite close to your chest still, which I don't think is the right approach anymore. You need support and sunlight on this.

SouperNoodle · 28/12/2022 18:58

You handled it so well OP! She sounds like a snake.
I really hope she gets bored of your DS and runs off with someone else. It'd honestly be the best thing she could do for him.

Jaxinthebox · 28/12/2022 20:45

she is vile, hideous, manipulative and has some serious mental issues. The WRONG champagne. WTF, I fear I would have lost my cool big time.

You did so well and I am proud of you for doing this for your son. Im sorry, so very sorry this is still going on.

Jaxinthebox · 28/12/2022 20:48

I agree with @Cavagirl - it is time to expose this woman for what she is. Id be singing it from the rooftops to all and sundry in the family, to his friends, to the bloody national press if I thought it would get my child back!

keepcalm11 · 28/12/2022 20:50

Echo sorry this is still going on @PurpleLampShades You are doing brilliantly. I would not have been this cool about the situation. Stay strong x

workworkworkugh · 28/12/2022 21:36

@Burgoo I'm sure it doesn't help that the GF is significantly older than DS but 17 year old girls can be just as controlling and manipulative, so I'm sure it's more of the behaviour that's worrying for OP and not so much the age gap.

Also my DS (teenage) ex controlling GF was mad at me 6 months after the fact because I offered her the wrong seat at the table once.
People like this will find ANYTHING to be mad at you about/slighted by you so as to control their partner.

@PurpleLampShades it sounds like you did so well! I don't know how you managed to keep your cool.
I don't blame you for never having her in your house again and don't be afraid to be honest with DS as to why if it comes up.

LaffTaff · 28/12/2022 23:06

My friend is in a similar situation - she finds her son's gf to be completely unsuitable, and believes wholeheartedly he is being manipulated. They've grown, gradually, more estranged, and he has now moved (with his gf) to another part of the country. Her son and his gf are part of a big friendship group, and the parents all know each other, to varying degrees, through the kids' school, uni, music groups etc. The girl in question is certainly willful (she too is absolutely the type who'd comment on meals/fizz!), however it has become very apparent (through the friends in the group chatting to their own parents about the situation) that her son is very much making his own decisions. My friend is struggling to come to terms with his rejection - my heart breaks for her.

It's a dreadful situation you're in OP, and I really hope it can be resolved.

kateandme · 29/12/2022 01:41

You did brilliantly.
Try if you can to have the biggest out loud laugh at her now.what a predictable little script she went by there.oh what a sad sad little woman.
She clearly also is trying to shit across all you have.the disdain.the moaning.the wrong food and drink.the wanting to be like a cat and piss all over your house including your sons room and sex in the bed.oh how predictable.ooo how rank.
And you didn't fall for it nor did you show it or rise to it.she will hate that.hate It!

Remember you are still his mum.and an adult.so I would be pulling him up short on some of what was said.hw cannot be let to think that's going to be acceptable.and needs a mirror shining back at him on some of her words tonight.
Even a " if one of your friends.or if I bought my boyfriend round to for would you deem this acceptable "
Keep reflecting her behaviour back.keeo making him think.

kateandme · 29/12/2022 01:42

Oh and be sure to trll him to tell her you had such a good time with her there and cant wait to do it agsin.

bert3400 · 29/12/2022 03:14

I can not imagine the pain and hurt you must be feeling & well done for staying stum on Christmas day, not sure I would of been able to. She is absolutely vile.
Hopefully your son will gradually start seeing her true colours. You have been incredibly strong and are truly a fantastic mum. As a mum to 4 boys myself, I know keeping the lines of communication open is often very tricky and sometimes one sided. I hope the New Year brings more positive step in your relationship

Thedoglovesmemore · 29/12/2022 07:29

Purple how did you DS respond to the day?

You say he automatically tried to peacemake for anything she wasn’t happy with practically like the champagne but what about when she was all over him or making lewd suggestions? Did he appear uncomfortable with it all? How was he with you?

I am hoping his Fridays with you continue and he doesn’t start bringing her with him. That precious time for you to bond with him is really important.

I still agree with other posters that his friends could be key here- keeping him in touch with them so he sees what he is missing out on by being tied into a weird relationship with someone so far removed from him socially is crucial.

if you have any sway still then I would definitely encourage his friends to try to keep making contact and inviting him to stuff.

you behaved perfectly and I have nothing but admiration for you. It must have been hellish let’s be honest. Can you see family or friends for NYE just to have something in the diary?

BesidetheseasideXxx · 29/12/2022 08:22

Sounds like you handled the day really well purple especially when she claimed she couldn't drink the wrong champagne (??)

Your latest post has made me think that maybe she is abusive because of her own problems and being really emotionally immature for her age, so your son has to manage her feelings and worry about upsetting her all the time. I say this because she possibly had a difficult childhood and doesn't talk to her parents which would lead to an emotionally unstable adult. She is strange for 27. The PDA is also very immature and like a teenage thing to do.

You have not allowed her to cut you off and have actually increased contact with your son and rebuilt your relationship with him while she's been involved with him. This is testament to your relationship with your son. Don't forget the progress that has been made and just keep doing what you're doing. He is so lucky to have you.

longleggitybeastie · 29/12/2022 08:37

Completely agree with PPs and particularly the above 2 posts.

Totally agree with inviting his friends over too. You can always engineer some time for just yourselves before or after they come. Maybe both if you offer to drive him home as well. What do you think?

nomcachange · 29/12/2022 09:44

OP you sound traumatised by the events but do hang on to the fact that your son wanted to be with you - and probably fought to be with you - for Christmas Day. Hopefully, as PPs have said, the weird behaviour from her will be harder for him to ignore when it's out in the open.

Possibly wandering off topic here but any ideas what his mental health was/is like? I'm sure he has unresolved grief from losing his Dad. And did you mention that his Dad had mental health issues? Maybe, at such a pivotal age, he has been trying to cope with things coming to the fore and this is his way of trying to keep it under wraps. Having someone else control everything for him, even his thoughts. Just thinking aloud as if this is the case then he really really does need his friends and family and ideally MH support for when it all hopefully falls apart with her. Also perhaps it is something you could peel back the corner of as and when the opportunity presents itself. Get him talking about himself and make sure he knows he isn't broken or defective and complicated thoughts are par for the course and the support is there / things will get better.

Thinking of you and your son OP x

Shrewsbury247 · 29/12/2022 10:28

My God!! Just read the whole thread, I am livid on your behalf!
She sounds utterly unhinged. Your son sounds like he’s frightened of her or her reactions, must be exhausting for him to be constantly trying to police every situation to make sure it’s agreeable to her.

You’ve done so well Purple, in your handling of a heartbreaking situation 💐

longleggitybeastie · 29/12/2022 13:48

Yes, it must be very draining for you too Purple. Exhausting I imagine, going through all of that. Please hold on to the absolute win that they came, and that you didn't blow your stack, which I think anyone would forgive if you had!

I'd be surprised if she doesn't do something soon that makes the halo slip in his eyes. You're doing everything possible to manoeuvre yourself into pole position to catch him when he falls. Agonising as it is.

PurpleLampShades · 29/12/2022 18:33

To answer some questions.
I think DS was happy to see me, but more anxious about pleasing gf. He was quieter than usual, seemed a bit on edge but put a brave face on it. He did bring me a gift, which was lovely. He did seem a little awkward with the touching/kissing which is partly why I kept retreating to the kitchen. He pulled away a few times which she didn’t look too impressed with. I asked him if he was okay when she went to the toilet and he said yes, he was fine. There wasn’t much genuine laughter or smiling as far as I could tell.

DS’s mental health was fine as far as I could tell prior to all this. His dad died in 2019 when DS was 12. He had a bit of bereavement counselling after but only a couple of sessions before saying he didn’t want to do it anymore. His dad died in an accident, unrelated to mental health. They didn’t see one another very often but did maintain a relationship via occasional phone calls and his dad always supported DS financially and sent for his birthday etc. DS was doing really well at 14/15 - confident, cheerful, nice circle of friends. Then he met gf. Now, it seems his confidence is waning, he’s obviously not being sociable anymore and he’s not his usual self. I can see a lot of tension in him that wasn’t there before.

@Burgoo I have tried my best to read your post without getting defensive but I don’t really think you have grasped the toxicity of the situation, nor the fact that she is a 27 year old woman who has groomed a boy of 15 into a toxic unhealthy relationship. That’s when it started, prior to him turning 16. I didn’t put salt on the meat, and no, I really don’t believe DS got the champagne wrong.

When I say she is a master manipulator I mean in the sense that DS cannot see it. I can see it but there’s little point in trying to voice that when DS is blind to it. That’s what makes her a master manipulator. It’s not me she’s manipulating, it’s DS. She did seem quite immature at times and that’s exactly it. DS feels like he has to manage her feelings, that it’s all on him.

I did what someone suggested and bought him tickets to a couple of sporting events. I hope he’ll invite one of his mates to go. I’m going to suggest it next week. He’s not visiting tomorrow as they (gf) have made plans. I asked if he’s seen any of his mates over the holidays and he just shrugged and gf laughed and said he’d been far too busy with her.

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longleggitybeastie · 29/12/2022 20:39

Sounds like you have an objective take on things Purple, I hope you're bearing up.

It's like you're just a friendly, safe observer of the relationship at the moment, but that's good. He knows you're there for him and it's lovely he got you a gift.

Tickets to sport events is an inspired idea, will have fingers crossed he chooses a good mate to go with.

boomoohoo · 29/12/2022 21:16

God, I have have so much admiration for you purple. This woman is just beyond words. You're doing excellently.

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