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AIBU?

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To think my mum should help me more with DC?

513 replies

changingstreets · 13/11/2022 07:46

DC is 6.

He gets up between 2am, 4am is very much a lay in for me. Yes, he is on melatonin maximum dose.

I am really struggling just now. It's okay until once a month or so I just crash and feel a bit hopeless Sad

I have fought and fought social care for additional respite, and he has the hours, but nobody will take them up and there aren't enough agency staff for it to be a regular thing

I'm shattered. I do sleep in the school day but holidays are difficult and I have a DD age 2 who doesn't do sleeping in the day, but luckily has a snooze 7-7.30 at night to morning! Sometimes sleeps until 8.

My mum is refusing to help. I go and see her every Saturday but she doesn't offer to have DS for me even once in a while.

I asked her if she could watch him whilst I got my feet done last week, and it was very much a case of 'yeah that should be okay'. I felt like I really had to rush around. It just wasn't worth it

AIBU to want and expect a little extra support?

I was left for 'another woman'. I am 26 and I was left for a 19 year old. No helpful H on the scene and he can't 'deal' with DS anymore

It's just so shit.

OP posts:
Justwalkthissideplease · 13/11/2022 10:37

@LisaJool i didn't miss the fact she took them ONCE. And it felt like a big ask.

Sleep deprived young mother in need for help for a few hours a month. Willing to do all the driving. Its Cruel to decline. Especially if you're her closest relative. When people snap and tragedies happen, everyone is so quick to say 'why didn't they ask for help' . Again, what if you do, but no one helps you? Long term sleep deprivation can drive you absolutely crazy. It changes something in your brain. So, yes. Dm should help if she cared. But it looks like she really doesn't.

Vikinga · 13/11/2022 10:38

I'm that age and have kids younger than your mum, work and have pets and I would absolutely help!! I'd probably get you to spend the weekends with me or at least every other weekend so you could get some rest.

Can I ask why at age 6 you can't get him to just watch his ipad in his bed if he wakes up?

I remember my eldest being 3 and if he got up before us he would just switch cbeebies on and get himself a bun for breakfast.

ElmoNeedsThePotty · 13/11/2022 10:38

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It's comments like this that made me suggest to the OP to move this thread to the SEN boards.

Proud of yourself are you?🙄

Strangeways19 · 13/11/2022 10:39

TheDuchessOfMN · 13/11/2022 10:14

“Let her make the effort”?

The OP visits her mum every Saturday and is given dinner. So presumably, the mother/grandmother is cooking for her own 3 DC and her 2 grandchildren, every Saturday (happy to be corrected by OP on that).

That isn’t what I would call a selfish or uninvolved grandmother

Again, it’s the child’s father who needs pulling up, not the OP’s mum

No OP does not say that her DM "makes her lunch". This is embellishing her story.

And life is not simply "get the DD more involved " particularly as OP says he is abusive towards this child. As a parent there is a responsibility to protect your child against abuse.
In an ideal world yes, this maybe the answer but we do not live in an ideal world.
If I was in OP's shoes I would not be doing a 2 hour drive to visit a relative who in many ways appears to be a distant relative. I would be changing things by asking her to visit me. Personal opinion only.

mamabear715 · 13/11/2022 10:41

@changingstreets
Where do I start?
I am so, SO sorry you're having to put up with all the unhelpful, nay, BELITTLING, ARGUMENTATIVE posts.. I could only read a few pages because I found it so upsetting.
Especially the posts where it was obvious that readers had only skim read your posts & hadn't taken a tenth of the content in, ffs..

I can't for the life of me figure out why your mum isn't doing more to help, and you're taking DS to HER..
She's obviously one of those people who loves to be thought of as a good egg, helping folk out & publicising it, but charity starts at home.. and people do notice. I'm sure some are thinking 'why doesn't she help her OWN DD?'

The holiday photos.. oh. Ok. I'm sorry sweetie, I know you say you're close & love her, personally, I really, strongly dislike her..
Hugs to you, it sounds like you're doing an amazing job, keep fighting, I hope there is some organisation who reads your posts & can give you a damn break. Bless you & your DC. xx

cypresstree · 13/11/2022 10:42

IncompleteSenten · 13/11/2022 07:53

It certainly is.

Yanbu to wish she would help.

Personally, I think it's awful when people who are supposed to love you watch you struggle and won't help you (if they physically can)#

That said, she doesn't have to. She doesn't want to. You have no choice but to accept that.

Exception. People who give nothing should get nothing. So if someone happily watches you struggle when they could help you but just don't want to then fair enough but they lose the privilege of being helped in their time of need because fuck that shit.

just wondering how the hell this happens, it is a glorious size

User359472111111 · 13/11/2022 10:42

changingstreets · 13/11/2022 08:08

Just to be clear, this is just a rant thread

I don't really dislike my mum. I love her to bits. I just want somewhere to vent

I have school mum friends with DC like mine but their families are incredibly supportive of them so it just doesn't relate

You must be exhausted @changingstreets. It’s obvious the Children’s father cannot be trusted with him, and I find it so hard to understand why someone would put themselves out for a stranger won’t help even when you have been so poorly.

Thinking of you and hoping you get more of what you need soon. I hope some of the suggestions are helpful but I think you are totally justified to need a space to vent.

changingstreets · 13/11/2022 10:43

Vikinga · 13/11/2022 10:38

I'm that age and have kids younger than your mum, work and have pets and I would absolutely help!! I'd probably get you to spend the weekends with me or at least every other weekend so you could get some rest.

Can I ask why at age 6 you can't get him to just watch his ipad in his bed if he wakes up?

I remember my eldest being 3 and if he got up before us he would just switch cbeebies on and get himself a bun for breakfast.

Thank you

Sadly he doesn't know how to use a tablet and just throws them. No interest in characters or telly, no skills to work games etc

OP posts:
TheDuchessOfMN · 13/11/2022 10:43

@Strangeways19

OP said “My mum is refusing to help. I go and see her every Saturday. (Post 1)

“She does make us dinner when we visit” (Post at 8.15am)

misssunshine4040 · 13/11/2022 10:44

KangarooKenny · 13/11/2022 08:05

It’s wrong to expect your DM to look after YOUR kids. They have a father, but you choose to not have him take them.
Your DM is classic peri menopause age, so she may have her own struggles.
Yes, it would be nice of her to help, but you can’t expect it.

The father WONT have him, how exactly do you expect her to force him??

changingstreets · 13/11/2022 10:45

Again thank you for the support and some suggestions have been very clever and useful, even if I have already tried and they don't work for whatever reason Flowers

I will join the SEN board. I didn't realise it was on here (doesn't seem to be on active chat so didn't find it before)

Thank you

OP posts:
Logsandcogs · 13/11/2022 10:46

People still saying the father should help, how brilliant an idea. I guess op didn't think about that, thanks on her behalf for your enlightened comments. (did you read the bit about the bullying and abuse?)

Verbena17 · 13/11/2022 10:49

I wonder if your mum is daunted by helping because she doesn’t understands your son’s needs?
how about asking her to stay over at your’s and if he wakes in night, your mum can go to him and let you sleep.
that way, his routine doesn’t ch age and your mum can still help you, but she can get you for help if she needed to.

changingstreets · 13/11/2022 10:51

I know it's my own fault for posting in AIBU. And I'm lucky enough to have very solid mental and emotional health generally

But some of these replies have left me feeling a bit in despair, they're so horrible. I can take it. I just think you're rude and move on. But please spare a thought for someone close to breaking point reading these things: it might tip them over the edge of you reply so horribly to a similar thread in a year, few years, few months. Who knows

I was married with a loving husband who became abusive after our daughter was born. That broke the camels back, and my son's care needs unfortunately increased. It isn't my fault. I didn't know he would do this. I am so heartbroken for my son that his dad could treat him like that. It's horrific, I feel as if I let him down by not choosing a great life partner but the truth is I just didn't know until it was too late

OP posts:
TarquinOliverNimrod · 13/11/2022 10:51

PurpleButterflyWings · 13/11/2022 10:18

@JaninaDuszejko

Being 53 is no excuse, I'm 51 and have a 10yo, I have a friend who had all her 3DC in her 40s and holds down a senior management job in an international company. I'm sure she finds a 6yo hard work (because they just are) but it would make such a massive difference to you if she looked after your DC for, e.g. 1 night a week. You sound like you are on your knees.

This kind of thing rankles me. Hmm Just because someone is in good health, and bright eyed and bushy tailed, and works loads of hours, and is able to run marathons blah blah blah, at 53, that doesn't follow that someone else who's the same age can do the same.

Some people have physical health issues at that age, some have mental health issues, some have social anxiety, and some are actually too busy - ya know with their job - or other children living at home.

And in these probably fictional scenarios, there is ALWAYS a middle aged woman who had ALL of her kids in her 40s, who is a high flying executive for an 'international company.' Is it Esther Rantzen? Hmm Or is it, as I suspect, someone who's a manager at the West Acton branch of McDonalds?

I am sorry you are struggling @changingstreets and it does all sound shit, but your mother isn't obliged to help you. Sounds like she has enough on her plate running her own home, and with your siblings still living there. I also cannot see a problem with her 'not wanting to go out to work.' She has kids still at home.

What is wrong with a woman in her 50s 'not going out to work' when they have kids still at home? Your dad sends money to her, but why shouldn't he? HE doesn't appear to be the one looking after HIS children. Also, why are you not denigrating your dad for not helping? Why just your mother?

She could occasionally offer to help you though I guess. It does seem a little harsh not to, just a couple of times a month even. I am on the fence a little. Leaning more towards being on your mother's side, but still seeing your point a bit.

I can't offer any real advice, but as @IncompleteSenten said, you know what to do when she is elderly and infirm and needs help. Just refuse.

What a weird post.

As you seem to be so ill informed I will take it upon myself to educate you. There are many, many hugely successful middle aged mothers with young children in existence. I include myself in this, I’m 48, a partner in a hedge fund with a small baby.

Such an odd thing to mention management at McDonalds or Esther Rantzen who was / is a TV presenter Confused

OP, you are so NBU. Of course your mother isn’t obligated to help you but of course she should naturally want to help you, she’s your mother! I will do all I can to help my son during my entire lifetime, as, well, he’s my son so why wouldn’t I want to help to make his life as happy and easy as possible 🤷🏻‍♀️ Ignore all the silly responses saying she’s not ‘obligated’, that’s just stating the obvious.

fUNNYfACE36 · 13/11/2022 10:53

ElmoNeedsThePotty · 13/11/2022 10:38

It's comments like this that made me suggest to the OP to move this thread to the SEN boards.

Proud of yourself are you?🙄

I was not criticising op, but explaining what the mother may be thinking, and is a very salient point!

CocoLux · 13/11/2022 10:54

I might be missing something and I don't want to be insensitive, but - you say you don't want DS's dad to look after him because he says things to belittle him. Does your DS have the comprehension to understand what his dad is saying? If he doesn't understand it, can it be harming him? If not, surely his dad can and should be doing his bit to take care of him? Your son is his son too.

diddl · 13/11/2022 10:54

changingstreets · 13/11/2022 10:45

Again thank you for the support and some suggestions have been very clever and useful, even if I have already tried and they don't work for whatever reason Flowers

I will join the SEN board. I didn't realise it was on here (doesn't seem to be on active chat so didn't find it before)

Thank you

Hope you get some help there Op.

CocoLux · 13/11/2022 10:55

TalkisChips · 13/11/2022 10:24

If she’s in her 50s she may not have the energy for it.

The later years of her life

Shes 53, not 83! Many 50 year olds are still parenting themselves.

Yes. Like the OP's mother, who is still parenting her own teenage children!

been and done it. · 13/11/2022 10:57

saraclara · 13/11/2022 08:05

I was in hospital last month for septic liver and telling her I couldn't get hold of ex, what am I going to do etc etc, my mum said she didn't know

That's bizarre. However difficult she finds her grandson, how on earth could she not step up on that situation?

She did step up though

Aussiegirl123456 · 13/11/2022 10:58

Oh OP, this sounds so tough on you 💐

misssunshine4040 · 13/11/2022 10:59

Hugasauras · 13/11/2022 08:38

How is her plate full? She doesn't have a job and just has two teenage children Confused

Personally, I don't believe parenting and helping your children stops at 18. I chose to only have the number of children I can manage financially and emotionally and that means in the future, not just now. If one or both of my daughters is struggling and her life is really hard and mine isn't, then of course I'm going to help when I can. I can't fathom the thinking you wouldn't, but sadly it's quite common, as you can see on here Sad

This! 2 older teens who are able to be left alone for extended periods of time, can be pretty self sufficient etc.
how's her plate so full that she can't offer some respite to her daughter?

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 13/11/2022 11:02

I can't imagine not helping out my child under these circumstances, once a month for a few hours is nothing.

I have grandchildren that I help out with even though I still have an 11 year old and 9 year old at home and my 9 year old is autistic.

Yeah I'm knackered sometimes but I couldn't watch my children struggle like op and not help out

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 13/11/2022 11:03

And I'm a single parent who's dc only go to their dads some school holidays

Muffit · 13/11/2022 11:03

Hi , I just wanted to offer my sympathy.I couldn't work out if you've ever been completely up front with your mum, or whether you skirt round flat out asking for help?
Could you ask for a night off every other week?
Can you tell her how low you feel , that you feel almost at breaking point.
Could she help to brainstorm a way to help you?
Send you lots of love.x

Really sorry for you and hope you manage to find someone who can help you.