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To think making friends with people who earn less than you is a waste of time

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MrsShelby · 06/11/2022 08:00

Hear me out. We moved to a lovely village a few years ago and I put a lot of effort in trying to make new friends. People who grew up in the area weren't interested as they had their established friendship circles. I met 2 different women through an activity who I hoped I could become good friends with.
Both lived in smaller houses than ours and earned less which didn't matter to me because I enjoyed their company. After a few meet ups, I was dumped. No idea what I did wrong. And it hurt.

Post baby, I have met 3 different amazing mummy friends (they don't know each other) and they think I am wonderful. We meet up regularly with our children and have a brilliant time. They also have part time professional jobs, live in big houses and have similar values.

This got me thinking because I am the same person who was dumped by the two other women. Plus, I have been dumped several times by friends in the past. The move to our current house cost me 3 friends who went cold when they saw the pictures of the house. I was so desperate to hold on to one of those friendships that I spent a year texting her to organise a meet up but she was never free or wouldn't respond.

AIBU to think that trying to make friends with someone who is several levels below you on the economic ladder is generally a waste of time and can only lead to disappointment/heart break?

OP posts:
Lily073 · 06/11/2022 09:25

Treeeeeeee · 06/11/2022 09:19

Op, i understand where you are coming from. We live on an expensive new build estate at the edge of a village which has some problems (and a lot of people with limited money). I have overheard a few conversations about 'people who live on my estate', and have even been told so by a person after speaking for all of 90 seconds. There was total judgement by them, without them trying to get to know anyone. Someone even told me they call it the spam estate because "you can all buy your big houses but i bet you can now only afford to eat spam" - i didnt know what to say 😂

Are you sure the reason people are behaving like this is because you live on a housing estate that in their view has ruined their village? Villagers sometimes view developments like those as detrimental to the character of the village and might also consider living on a 'new build estate' as unpleasant

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:25

I’d struggle to befriend someone who used the term ‘mummy friends’ so, so naff. I’d also struggle to really accept friendship where someone didn’t understand that two women can’t posts E anything but different.
How do you know they think you are wonderful? People in big houses in rural villages are very well trained in not giving away their true feelings easily. It’s from being brave on the early morning run at Gordonstoun or the hockey field at Marlborough.

MrsShelby · 06/11/2022 09:25

Hollywolly1 · 06/11/2022 08:32

Maybe the friends you had were just not nice op and felt jealous of your new home,some people judge other people by what they have and a sign of very weak characters. I think some replies you got here are from very unfair. I am sure you didn't steal the house🤣and most likely worked very hard to have a good career also but some people hate to see others advancing well in life ,iwish you well op but do try to find a friend that doesn't have a big chip on their shoulders

Thank you for your kind post. I am very outgoing person which is why I have tried to make new friends and experienced a some sadness along the way.

Sometimes I wish I was more like my husband. He has a small group of friends that he went to school with and isn't interested in making new ones.

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Lily073 · 06/11/2022 09:26

Typo sorry....Are you sure the reason people are behaving like this is not because you live on a housing estate that in their view has ruined their village? Villagers sometimes view developments like those as detrimental to the character of the village and might also consider living on a 'new build estate' as unpleasant

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:26

Sorry autocorrect. It should be two women can’t possibly be anything but different.

Kiwimommyinlondon · 06/11/2022 09:26

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That is just nasty. Says more about you than anything else.

mansviewpoint · 06/11/2022 09:27

Although the title of your post makes you come across as a bit of an arse (earn less than you) it does sound like you just aren't very good at judging people who you think want to be your friends, but really are there for wanting to get something out of you. We all have people who want something for nothing, "mates rates" is a prime example...... just realise that where you live perhaps or the groups that these 'friends' come from may be the issue.

Tessabelle74 · 06/11/2022 09:27

I sense you're a complete snob and probably bore most people with the "look at me, look at my beautiful stuff" conversations but now have found similar people to you that enjoy the same. It's nothing to do with money, more about class and money doesn't give you that

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:27

Cripes, it hadn’t occurred to me you lived on that sort of estate.

Supergirl1958 · 06/11/2022 09:28

Venetiaparties · 06/11/2022 09:23

There is something truthful in op's post, obviously very old and trusted friends won't care where you live.

We had a modest cottage and a group of baby club friends, dh's career took off and we moved to a large country house. My friends were open about feeling intimidated about my new house, and yes the friendships cooled despite my efforts to reassure them. They didn't feel good enough anymore, and said they felt they had to 'dress up' now when they came. It was odd and hurtful. Definitely their insecurities, as we were just the same as before. Some of the group were great, and we remain close to this day, and the one or two that found it difficult dropped out altogether.

@Venetiaparties thats the other end of the spectrum though. Perhaps you perceive that nothing had changed but in their minds it had. At least they admitted they were intimidated rather than just drop out without warning, and yes it is their problem ultimately but I don’t think you’re right when you say nothing had changed.

TimeForMeToF1y · 06/11/2022 09:29

Supergirl1958 · 06/11/2022 09:21

Is this thread deliberately trolling? What a decidedly b*tchy thing to say OP….

You can type bitchy, this is a site for grown ups but your comment is immature and shows a lack of understanding of the way wealth or perceived wealth affects relationships

The op may not have expresses herself in the best way but it's undeniable that in the main people stay in their "flock"

Posters on here seem to think that a generality doesn't hold because it doesn't apply to them.

70billionthnamechange · 06/11/2022 09:30

BabyClubYEEAAH · 06/11/2022 08:04

Maybe try living outside of your own asshole and you might find friendships easier.

😂😂😂

SisterAgatha · 06/11/2022 09:30

I think it entirely depends on the person and their own issues. I grew up destitute and in a chaotic and neglected home. You can’t tell this now as I’ve “done alright”. So I have lost contact with old friends who have chips on their shoulders or jealousy issues or who have problems with me “changing”. But old friends who just like me for who I am, I still see those.

New friends who have had comfortable lives, when I explain about my old life they don’t really get it, understandably. That’s fine, I don’t begrudge them that. But some people do. And they are the ones who can’t be friends with you sadly. It’s not a friendship.

LargeHadronCollidHER · 06/11/2022 09:30

YANBU

although many on here are struggling financially so you’ll get flamed

It is pointless making an effort to befriend people in such different financial circumstances to yourself, as you’re always going to struggle with days out, gets awkward around birthdays and Christmas.

Thankfully it’s an issue that seems to be self policing, as most people find friends where they live, and where they live is usually dictated by income etc.

MrsShelby · 06/11/2022 09:30

whatdodos · 06/11/2022 08:38

Um no. I had the reverse of this situation. I moved back in with my mum after my first DS after a relationship breakdown. It was our childhood home and lots of big houses had been built around it with families who clearly earned alot lived there with their families.

I stayed with her for a few years and tried numerous times to try and make friends with some of the other ladies who had kids the same age as my little DS. None of them reciprocated and they always did stuff with their groupsof kids every after I suggested stuff/we went to the same groups. It was clearly because I had a low paying job/no car/single parent/lived with my mum etc. I could just tell as they were fine with my mum and my sister who came to visit.

May not be intentional but you probably gave off some vibes which made them feel like they weren't the same as you or something I don't know.

I'm sorry you had this experience. I hope you went on to find good and genuine friends.

OP posts:
Questionaboutjoboffer · 06/11/2022 09:31

Is this a joke?

70billionthnamechange · 06/11/2022 09:31

FatCatSkinnyRat · 06/11/2022 08:09

I moved here from overseas five years ago and have a bigger house than anyone we know bar one, and I have a stack of lovely new friends.

I will say, however, that people in the UK seem to be quite envious of others, so perhaps in your area YANBU.

Or perhaps you are a bit of a knobber. Hard to tell from a distance.

It's pretty easy to tell 😂

teardropsarefalling · 06/11/2022 09:31

Oh. Oh dear, if ever I felt the Shame of being a shop worker on minimum wage.

SallyWD · 06/11/2022 09:34

I don't recognise this at all. OK, I'm sure that one or two people might feel such envy that they can't be friends but I find it highly unlikely that nearly all your friends would be like this! I'm in a friendship group. One of the women owns a huge detached house and she and her DH earn avout £350,000 between them. Other people in the group live in modest flats and earn around £20,000. We're all equals, we all host each other in our homes. There are no issues, no one feels better than anyone else.
I know lovely people who are rich and poor and they're all the same to me. I never really think about their financial situation or their houses.
Do you think perhaps you might be a bit smug about your house and money and this pi55es people off?

merlotlover · 06/11/2022 09:34

I wouldn't know what my friends finances are like and it wouldn't bother me. I had a friend years ago that dumped me for another girl who dressed better and was always with make up etc. when me and my DP got together we moved into our new home one of the biggest on the estate (where this woman lived) she saw us move in and said ooh we must have coffee! She obviously thought I was on her level now. I did not see her for coffee!

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 06/11/2022 09:34

This is ridiculous and smug and all kinds of wrong!

My DM used to live and work with lots of rich people but when she became poor they still saw her as a friend and helped out when they could because they were like friends you know?’! And not snobs with a stick up their arses!

I’m fairly rich and am friends with plebs, I mean we sometimes joke about it when out whilst I throw them diamond crumbs…

Mulhollandmagoo · 06/11/2022 09:34

Sparklingbrook · 06/11/2022 08:03

I don’t know where to start with this. More coffee required I think.

Agree...too early right?? 🥱

MrsShelby · 06/11/2022 09:34

MuchTooTired · 06/11/2022 08:38

I can sort of see where you’re coming from I think. I live in a large house, and some people do change once they see it - I have felt uncomfortable because I know it’s not a ‘normal’ size house and I try not to have people round until we’ve been friends for a while so they know ‘me’ rather than making assumptions about me based on my home. It’s a lovely house

That being said, I don’t think I’ve lost any friends over it, and couldn’t give a shiny shit about what their household incomes are vs mine. At the end of the day we’re all fighting different battles and our kids all challenge us in different/the same ways.

I couldn’t be friends with someone who thinks they’re better than me because they earn more and have a bigger house though!

I have never thought that I am better than anyone because I earn more or have a bigger house. Nothing in my post suggests that. If anything, I have taken their ending the friendships badly because I enjoyed their company and spending time with them.

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MrsShelby · 06/11/2022 09:35

mids2019 · 06/11/2022 08:39

I think it is difficult to maintain friendships occasionally with wealth disparity. I think the key is for the wealthier friend to minimise any mention of obvious comparators e.g. house , holidays as envy unfortunatly can read its ugly head.

it is hard for the wealthy to relate to some of the challenges a relatively low income brings e.g. debt, making ends meet and sometimes people just want to feel comfortable witomeone that can wholly empathise with their situation.

I have some people less well.people.than me (certainly not all)/can be chippy and take opportunities to say that those that are wealthier have gained their wealth unfairly.

society splits in wealth levels and this has always been the case and won't change soon.

Good post with relevant points.

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Supergirl1958 · 06/11/2022 09:35

TimeForMeToF1y · 06/11/2022 09:29

You can type bitchy, this is a site for grown ups but your comment is immature and shows a lack of understanding of the way wealth or perceived wealth affects relationships

The op may not have expresses herself in the best way but it's undeniable that in the main people stay in their "flock"

Posters on here seem to think that a generality doesn't hold because it doesn't apply to them.

Immature? Really? Read my other comments on this thread, I have a great perception of wealth and the way it is perceived thankyou very much, quite how you can make that judgement based on less than two lines of writing is incomprehensible.

My opinion that it is bitchy, is just that, an opinion, and if you don’t agree, move on. My apologies for putting in a star, I’ve removed it for this comment.

let agree to disagree

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