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Albanian migrants question

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Notthetoothfairy · 05/11/2022 11:52

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

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Longwhiskers · 05/11/2022 14:11

There was a big BBC article the other day about how Albanians are trafficked here/brought across the channel and in return they agreed to work in the drugs gangs.

Blossomtoes · 05/11/2022 14:11

inamarina · 05/11/2022 14:10

If they’re doctors, dentists and nurses from Albania they could apply for work visa, no?

Not if they’re asylum seekers, no. They have to wait for the dilatory HO process. There’s a huge backlog.

7Worfs · 05/11/2022 14:11

I can’t wait to have more criminals in this country; when they have safety in numbers they can branch out to organ harvesting too.

IcedPurple · 05/11/2022 14:12

cofingalthetime · 05/11/2022 13:42

It's not a crime to be an "economic migrant" is it?? Is it a crime to be poor now - that's what these far right groups will have you think.

If you don't have the appropriate visa, then yes it is a crime to be an 'economic migrant'.

Could I just rock up in Canada or NZ and demand to be allowed to make money without a work visa?

PAFMO · 05/11/2022 14:12

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Ah, the lotuseaters.
In their own words "Subscribe to this show - if only to make the woke-tards cry"

There's a spelling mistake in your username btw.

VollywoodHampires · 05/11/2022 14:12

Pixiedust1234 · 05/11/2022 12:00

Funny how its always young men....

This

micedontpaint · 05/11/2022 14:12

TheNosehasit · 05/11/2022 14:09

I've met a few in fact.

I knew an Albanian guy, he was alright. He came here via normal routes on a work visa.

LesterBiggott · 05/11/2022 14:12

User963 · 05/11/2022 13:20

On the radio the other day they had a segment from Albania. They interviewed lots of young men who wanted to leave for. A better life. One of them said they come to the U.K. because you can work without papers whereas you need papers in other EU countries.
so whilst some of that work might be drug related people need to accept that if they don’t want immigration they need to stop using cheap labour. Think about the people who work in your local car wash or nail bar. Are they being employed legally or cash in hand. It seems to me most car washes are staffed by immigrants and a lot of them are probably working illegally.
to get to the route causes of immigration you need to look at the way the U.K. is run and people using cheap labour.

we also have to accept that immigration is only going to increase as climate change increases. Is it ok to say that we can’t accept people from other countries when those countries become inhospitable due to climate change we are partly responsible for. In the next fifty years there is going to end up being a massive alteration in where people live in the world and if we don’t come up with a way to deal with where displaced people should live then there will probably be a world war or mass famine to sort the problem out and massively reduce the population.

Do you think the UK is Noah's ark? Where exactly do you plain on putting, say, an extra billion people? Have you got room where you live? And who should decide who comes? Who do you think should pay for all this? Do you think it's ok for people who can afford the thousands of pounds for the boat push ahead of those who haven't. Have you thought about it?

The native population of the UK was actually going down slightly. Yet it's population has increased from a steady 48 million for years to around 60 million. Don't you think that would be a better idea if you want people to deal with climate change to start by having far less children? Rather than piling into the UK at great detriment to the existing population.

Blossomtoes · 05/11/2022 14:13

VollywoodHampires · 05/11/2022 14:12

This

It isn’t.

inamarina · 05/11/2022 14:13

surreysarah · 05/11/2022 14:02

Personally I think they should all be allowed to stay, for the reasons given in the OP. They have just as much right to live in this country as anyone else!

Do you honestly believe this?

BewareTheLibrarians · 05/11/2022 14:13

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It is absolutely fucking disgusting to talk so casually about women who are trafficked into forced prostitution.

LesterBiggott · 05/11/2022 14:13

PAFMO · 05/11/2022 14:12

Ah, the lotuseaters.
In their own words "Subscribe to this show - if only to make the woke-tards cry"

There's a spelling mistake in your username btw.

There isn't a spelling error in my user name.

TheNosehasit · 05/11/2022 14:13

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Cornettoninja · 05/11/2022 14:14

the crime element is such a distraction. No doubt there are huge problems with gangs in this country but no policy targeting the trafficked instead of the traffickers is going to work. What that requires is policing, lots of it because you’re naive in the extreme if you think the people claiming asylum are the only ones crossing boarder.

Of course people would rather pretend that spending millions battening down the hatches and chucking out any nasty foreigners is the answer rather than tackling the societal issues that allow criminals to prosper and encourage them to target the UK. Their ‘cheeky’ coke or cannabis habit is absolutely fine, it’s those freezing buggers on dinghy’s that are the problem.

TheNosehasit · 05/11/2022 14:14

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Mycatsgoldtooth · 05/11/2022 14:15

So we need migrants to meet the demand put on services, but migrants do not put any demand on services. There is some serious wishful thinking on this thread.

We have a country where services are over stretched, housing is in short supply and astronomically priced. Hospital waiting lists in the millions and we are now expecting the middle classes to be taxed until they bleed. We are not in a position to receive the amount of migration we do at the moment. If a person is an economic migrant then let them apply for a visa… like every member of my family has done. My mil, fil and sil are immigrants. They went through legal channels and paid a lot of money to get citizenship. Why should we have a two tier system where some people are just allowed to illegally enter the country because they feel like living here. I can’t imagine the response on AIBU if I asked “should I enter the US illegally, I think I’d make more money there”

We have had more people enter the uk in the last two years then the whole of the 80’s. But according to mumsnet this will cost us nothing and put no strain on services. Never mind social cohesion. All these Albanian men just need to train as doctors and it will all be tickety boo. Ignoring the fact Albanian gangs are a major problem, as the home office have stated.

TheNosehasit · 05/11/2022 14:16

Longwhiskers · 05/11/2022 14:11

There was a big BBC article the other day about how Albanians are trafficked here/brought across the channel and in return they agreed to work in the drugs gangs.

They're sold the story that they will get nice jobs as waitresses. They're held hostage and raped repeatedly by Englishmen who like prostitutes.

inamarina · 05/11/2022 14:16

Blossomtoes · 05/11/2022 14:11

Not if they’re asylum seekers, no. They have to wait for the dilatory HO process. There’s a huge backlog.

Why are they asylum seekers though if they’re coming from Albania?

micedontpaint · 05/11/2022 14:16

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I'm not being an idiot, I'm saying people who come here legally and work aren't an issue. I probably agree with you.

theyoungishman · 05/11/2022 14:17

TheNosehas it- you are by FAR the biggest idiot of anyone on this thread. What's the chip on your shoulder about Albanians when you've 'met a few' but don't actually know any? Did you ask one out on a date once and get turned down or something?! Holding a grudge?

MarshaBradyo · 05/11/2022 14:17

micedontpaint · 05/11/2022 14:10

I don't think so. We would welcome such people, even trainees dental.hee.nhs.uk/dental-trainee-recruitment/right-to-work-in-the-uk#:~:text=The%20Home%20Office%20requires%20those,10%20years%2C%20aged%2018%20or

There would be absolutely no need to quit work as a dentist in Albania to go and live in a detention centre in the UK when you can simply apply to come here and leave once you get a place.

Yes true there are legal routes.

There are also asylum seekers from other countries, this thread is about Albanian migrants ie the rapid increase in numbers so 10,000 males have arrived recently.

Since they are often related to drug gangs they need a different way to tackle it.

Cornettoninja · 05/11/2022 14:17

inamarina · 05/11/2022 14:16

Why are they asylum seekers though if they’re coming from Albania?

Because they’ve been trafficked.

Livinginanotherworld · 05/11/2022 14:17

YellowTreeHouse · 05/11/2022 12:02

We have plenty of people needing work in the UK.

Why aren’t they filling the millions of job shortages then ?

micedontpaint · 05/11/2022 14:18

MarshaBradyo · 05/11/2022 14:17

Yes true there are legal routes.

There are also asylum seekers from other countries, this thread is about Albanian migrants ie the rapid increase in numbers so 10,000 males have arrived recently.

Since they are often related to drug gangs they need a different way to tackle it.

They need to deport them straight home in my opinion.

TheNosehasit · 05/11/2022 14:19

theyoungishman · 05/11/2022 14:17

TheNosehas it- you are by FAR the biggest idiot of anyone on this thread. What's the chip on your shoulder about Albanians when you've 'met a few' but don't actually know any? Did you ask one out on a date once and get turned down or something?! Holding a grudge?

Oh I knew them.