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To be annoyed at DD’s punishment

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 11:46

DD (9, Y5) has been getting picked on by a girl for a couple of years now. It seems to happen in peaks and troughs. But this girl’s focus is on DD’s height. She’s very small for her age, as is her dad. If you looked at her you’d think she was 7yo max. Her 5yo brother is only 2 inches shorter, and some of her friends are head and shoulders taller. And the girl picking on her constantly calls her titch, shorty, dwarf, shortarse and constantly pats her on the head like she’s a dog. If something has been said in class when they’re learning, for example the teacher describes a ‘small mountain’ this girl will shout out “Just like Emily” (meaning my DD, not her real name).

I raised it last year but she had a bit of a hippy teacher in his last year of teaching who said things like “I’ll work on empowering Emily” and “I’ll do a lesson on how name calling isn’t ok” - which is all very well but FFS just tell this girl to stop it!!!

I raised it with the head who is as much use as a chocolate fireguard and just says “Oh well these things happen and we do encourage resilience”. Which I agree with but one child can only take so much.

To avoid drip feeding - this is a private school with very low numbers and the bully girl is one of 5 siblings. I’ve strongly suspected they don’t want to upset the family in case they pull all their kids out. It seems to be a pattern with wealthy/large families, whereas I only have 2 in school.

Anyway I spoke to her new teacher in the first day of term and said it absolutely cannot happen this year as DD is starting to dread school and has come home crying too often, and I don’t wanna have to pull her out. New teacher is much more of a ball buster than last year’s teacher and said she’d directly pull any name calling or mean behaviour. And all seemed to go well this term (except for the odd incident). Until today.

DD’s teacher called me to say that all her break times will be removed next week and she will have to stay indoors. Apparently the bully girl made a comment when DD was asked to pin something she’s done on a display the wall. She said “Someone get Emily a stepladder”.

DD replied and said “I may be short but at least I’m not fat.” The girl in question is quite overweight. She burst into tears and DD has had that punishment.

Now I’m not condoning what DD said, I’ve always said we never talk about how people look because look how awful it makes someone feel. But after 2 years of grief from this girl when there’s been NO action taken against her, my DD seemingly has snapped and now is being punished for 1 offence. The bully girl was made to apologise but isn’t getting the same punishment.

Full disclosure: DH has suggested before that DD say this to the girl (to which I promptly said FGS NO don’t say that!). But bear in mind we had her coming home upset and crying yet again by this nasty girl who just won’t fucking stop.DH got fed up and said that if she can comment on DD’s height the only way to stop it is to bite back equally as hard. Which I don’t agree with - but I bet that’s why DD’s said it.

WIBU to see the Head and say this is unfair, yes DD should be punished but why hasn’t the other girl ever had a punishment once? Why is fat shaming terrible but height shaming ok and should be tolerated? Neither can be helped of children. I did tell her teacher I’m not happy but she seemed to think it was much more unacceptable what DD said than what the other girl said!

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 16/11/2022 20:10

She is gonna be sick on Friday BTW. So sick that she has to come with me to Lighwater Valley to help her feel better.

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Binglebong · 16/11/2022 20:17

Actually sick isn't a bad idea. Could she get a fit note from the doctor - she can go to school but only if this girl I'd not allowed with a set distance? Otherwise stress will keep her off....

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 16/11/2022 20:23

I don’t want to force a medical problem onto her, that would be cruel and she’d never go along with it. It I won’t be sending her in if I feel this girl will upset her again

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Binglebong · 16/11/2022 20:27

Fair enough, to me it says sounding as if she was getting stressed with having bullying and a record from the doctor would back-up the seriousness. But entirely your call of course.

NancyJoan · 16/11/2022 21:02

Social bullying is every bit as damaging as verbal or physical bullying. Ask them why they are not dealing with this by following their bullying policy.

marktayloruk · 16/11/2022 23:01

You are not being unreasonable. The school are. I was bullied for years and the teachers didn't stop it .

Notanotherwindow · 17/11/2022 11:50

@marktayloruk I was too. It only stopped in year 11 when I snapped and sent one of the ringleaders to hospital.

Headteacher called my parents, got my dad who just said 'Good, I told her to hurt him and you can tell him when he comes back that if he touches my daughter one more time I'LL send him to fucking hospital.'

Another one of them, he cornered on the way home from school after he started hassling me, not realising I was meeting my dad. Dad grabbed him by the hair, pulled him to the side and told him if he touched me again he'd kill him. It all pretty much stopped after word got around that my dad was 'mental' and would come after them. Sadly violence and aggression is the only language they speak.

CrackingcheeseWallace · 17/11/2022 13:13

Oh your poor daughter. I'm also sick of it on your behalf. As has been said on here before you have to be a 'squeaky wheel'...the noise that never goes away until the bullying stops. Every time it happens, you phone/go to the school and speak to the Head...drag the governors in every time too. Write a letter to your local councillors, your local MP and your local newspaper...can you access their FB or Instagram page and type your concerns about ongoing bullying that isn't dealt with? And yeah, it's time to speak with the bully's parents.

CrackingcheeseWallace · 17/11/2022 13:14

Notanotherwindow · 17/11/2022 11:50

@marktayloruk I was too. It only stopped in year 11 when I snapped and sent one of the ringleaders to hospital.

Headteacher called my parents, got my dad who just said 'Good, I told her to hurt him and you can tell him when he comes back that if he touches my daughter one more time I'LL send him to fucking hospital.'

Another one of them, he cornered on the way home from school after he started hassling me, not realising I was meeting my dad. Dad grabbed him by the hair, pulled him to the side and told him if he touched me again he'd kill him. It all pretty much stopped after word got around that my dad was 'mental' and would come after them. Sadly violence and aggression is the only language they speak.

Same here...the bullying only stopped when my brother stepped in to deal with the bully in a physical way. Awful but the bullying stopped thereafter.

billy1966 · 17/11/2022 13:57

Did you put everything in writing after the last meeting?

Pumpkin20222 · 17/11/2022 15:49

Bullying has such a horrible legacy, even if your DD feels she is okay at the moment.
Glad you have everything in writing, but the school has to stop this immediately.
The school is being useless, so you have to force them.
If your daughter objects to a medical letter, I would explore options for a legal letter and reporting the school: www.isi.net/site/downloads/ISI_Concerns_Policy.pdf

KatherineJaneway · 17/11/2022 18:52

It all pretty much stopped after word got around that my dad was 'mental' and would come after them. Sadly violence and aggression is the only language they speak.

So true

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 17/11/2022 21:54

billy1966 · 17/11/2022 13:57

Did you put everything in writing after the last meeting?

I did and referenced where they broke their own anti bullying policy.

Got a meek response back.

Its now with the Trustees, and includes the latest incident. DD isn’t going in tomorrow (although she had a good day today) I’m taking her out for the day as a treat. Poor baby 😞

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 17/11/2022 21:56

KatherineJaneway · 17/11/2022 18:52

It all pretty much stopped after word got around that my dad was 'mental' and would come after them. Sadly violence and aggression is the only language they speak.

So true

I got bullied in year 7 and saw the boys responsible in Woolworths. I was with dad at the time and he said “wait here one minute”.

5 minutes later 3 terrified looking boys left the shop, apologised on Monday and left me alone for the rest of my school life. Dad died refusing to tell me what he’d said! That worked far better than any of the crap the school had in place.

Sadly you’d get arrested and reporting to childrens services for something like that these days (though I know my DH would be happy to tear them a new one given half the chance)

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RandomMess · 17/11/2022 22:05

Flowers to your DD from a a child and adult shortie.

StressedOutMumBex · 17/11/2022 23:21

Put it all in writing OP and make sure that it is all on record, involve Ofsted, write to them and tell the school that you are doing it. I would demand a face to face meeting with the head of year and the parents of the other girl. The behaviour is absolutely unacceptable and they should be pulling this child and her parents in and speaking to them about her behaviour, informing them that she is bullying your child and inciting others to join in on it. This bully should have had a warning already and been told that she will face suspension or exclusion if it continues. This school seems awful, really weak , how is it they were very quick to act when your DC called the bully fat and upset her, so why is there a different approach for your child who is again having to put up with this crap. I would suggest to them that it is now affecting your child's mental health, stress that she has been saying that she does not want to go to school anymore, is suffering from anxiety because of this and does not feel safe at school. At the end of the day they have a duty of care to your child, no child should have to put up with shit like this, time to escalate.

Stationsofthecross · 17/11/2022 23:30

Pull her out OP - it sounds horrific for her, i was bullied for years, I am still in therapy. Please, pull her out.

StressedOutMumBex · 17/11/2022 23:42

CrackingcheeseWallace · 17/11/2022 13:13

Oh your poor daughter. I'm also sick of it on your behalf. As has been said on here before you have to be a 'squeaky wheel'...the noise that never goes away until the bullying stops. Every time it happens, you phone/go to the school and speak to the Head...drag the governors in every time too. Write a letter to your local councillors, your local MP and your local newspaper...can you access their FB or Instagram page and type your concerns about ongoing bullying that isn't dealt with? And yeah, it's time to speak with the bully's parents.

YES - do all of this

Pearls1234 · 18/11/2022 11:45

So sorry to see this is happening again! I’d be telling the school exactly where to go, why should you pay them for doing sweet FA?

A ‘session on kindness’ is not going to cut it. It sounds very much like they simply don’t want to upset this little ‘angel’ or her parents (£££).

Enjoy your day out together, keep us posted. 💐

CurzonDax · 18/11/2022 12:03

I hope you and your daughter have a nice day, OP.

If I were you, I'd be removing her now. Why are you paying for your daughter to get bullied, and be this upset? The school have had ample opportunity to deal with it, and haven't.

My experience of bullies is that if their victim moves on, they soon move on to another. The school are clearly prioritising the other family (more children = more money), but they will lose your money. If they don't then deal with the bully, and she moves on to another child - they may find that child also gets removed. Unfortunately, money seems to be the only thing that is speaking to them.

mistlethrush · 18/11/2022 12:22

I got pulled over after school when my DS was in about Year 9 because he'd 'bitten' someone... What they failed to note is that a group of 3 or 4 boys had chased mine all over school and then repeatedly jumped on his back as though they were having a piggy back until he was knocked over - and they continued holding on to him and the only way he could get them off was to bite them. It's always the bullies that get away with it when the bullied fight back.

Don't let it slip, keep on pointing out the problems and pick them up on their policy if they're not following their guidelines.

marktayloruk · 18/11/2022 17:05

As an exvictim I understand bullies. They understand only that somebody stronger than them isn't going to let them get away with it!

KatherineJaneway · 19/11/2022 08:54

marktayloruk · 18/11/2022 17:05

As an exvictim I understand bullies. They understand only that somebody stronger than them isn't going to let them get away with it!

Totally. A 'lesson in kindness' will have them smirking away while planning their next attack.

Cismyfatarse · 23/11/2022 15:14

How has it been?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 28/11/2022 20:22

UPDATE

I gave notice today to the kids’ school. DS is sad and convinced he won’t make anymore friends but he’s 5 and super outgoing so will be absolutely fine.

DD is thrilled - she said since that incident in my OP that she wants to leave. The name calling and exclusions continued and the school has done fuck all. This “kindness session” hasn’t happened as her teacher is too busy. In my son’s class, a TA barked at him to ‘pick up his crap’ because he was slow to clear things away. I complained, as she’s a total cow of a human being and my DD also had issues with her when she was an infant, and I think that’s a terrible way to speak to a 5yo. Headteacher did his Father Stone impression again and said “Oh dear. I’ll speak to Miss Mitchell”.

So I served their notice. I cannot wait to get out of that school. I mean DD may be bullied in another school but at least I won’t be paying for the privilege and I can’t imagine teachers worse than where she is now.

On the bright side, they had an ISI inspection last week and they surveyed all parents! To say I went to town on the would be an understatement. They put out a self congratulatory email about how they got 97% satisfactory scores in safeguarding question but NOTHING about the bullying section

i can honestly say that I have a PSA announcement for MN:

Private schools are not all they’re cracked up to be
IME, bullying is ignored if in a rich or large family or if there is a fear that the bully might be pulled out
Teachers are there because they get discount, and funnily enough the head boy, head girl and anyone with any responsibility or standing (including leads in plays) are children of staff. They give very few shots about your kids.
because so many private schools are undersubscribed they’ll take any child whose parents can pay meaning 1 child can suddenly come in and be disruptive as hell and other kids have to tolerate it.
TeChers also seem to make friends with parents (usually because their kids are all school friends) and you will see teachers on nights out with parents getting absolutely arseholed and no one finds that inappropriate

The only upside was that they don’t ever mind them being taken out during term time and no fines. That’s literally the only thing that sets them apart from your average state school.

<and breath>

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