RIP Sebastian

[bluewanda]

Fucking hell - that poor, poor boy. His mother and her partner are absolute monsters. What a disgusting world we live in :(

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11386701/Mother-bodybuilder-partner-jailed-39-years-murder-15-year-old-son.html

@bluewoollymammoth
I'm so sorry. I hope you have healed and have the peace you deserve now.

Looking at his pictures wakes up the motherly side of me. This poor boy. How horrific. He went through hell. RIP Sebastian, my Polish fellow.

These cases are all the same, where there is an abusive controlling step parent, with a narcissistic mother who is emotionally immature.

Lots of children have violent homes. For some women it is join in rather than be the victim. They are emotionally immature and weak, pushed about by their partners who get them to join in because for sadists there is nothing better than destroying what should be a loving relationship to one that is all about pain and cruelty. This is, along with recordings, part of the enjoyment.

Red flags are CCTV in the home, a partner moving in very quickly, use of steroids, and any previous conviction. for violence. Step parenting is a big risk to a child's safety for a reason in these circumstances.

I read the article yesterday and I sobbed and sobbed. I cannot bring myself to watch a video.

Evidence has shown that the biggest risk to a child is when a non-relation enters the household. And yes that includes women (in case of Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo-Hughes).

you see it all the time - women asking about moving in with new partners, or their children don’t like to their new partners.

there is NO rush, nobody died because people take things slowly, but they do when things move too quickly. And if a child is uncomfortable about someone moving in - or a new partner - they shouldn’t just be fobbed off. They are your children, it is LITERALLY YOUR JOB to keep them safe

RIP Sebastian, little Star, little Arthur, Baby P, Daniel Pelka, Victoria Climbie and so many other children.

there is NO rush, nobody died because people take things slowly, but they do when things move too quickly. And if a child is uncomfortable about someone moving in - or a new partner - they shouldn’t just be fobbed off. They are your children, it is LITERALLY YOUR JOB to keep them safe

👏🏼 Exactly.

Evidence has shown that the biggest risk to a child is when a non-relation enters the household. And yes that includes women

This is often mentioned as a factor in homelessness of older teens/young adults I've come across. Time and again. I don't understand it.

I sobbed when I read the story. What absolute bastards. How could any woman not only allow her bloke to do those terrible things, but to actually join in?! That poor, poor boy. I'm glad those evil fuckers got 39 years minimum. All child abusers should get the same. I hope other prisoners beat that pair, every day of those 39 years.

I know it's not a popular opinion, but if you can't lock these utterly barbaric savages away for the rest of their lives, then they should at least be sterilised to prevent them having more children.
And how those women can call themselves mother's is beyond my comprehension. A mother would do anything, including putting her own life on the line for her children!
That poor young man. May God rest his soul.
I feel sorry for the juries who have to sit through these cases and hear such dreadful acts of barbarity. I hope they were offered counseling.

The mother cared less for her son than most people would care for a complete stranger. If we saw a stranger being treated like that we'd try and stop it.
I guess the step dad won't be able to get hold of steroids any more in prison.

Awful
I couldn't bring myself to watch the video
Rip Sebastian x

Sorry but absolutely fuck those judging his father for not being in court. Maybe he’s, ya know, too traumatised to attend something that makes zero difference to bringing his child back. Imagine having to sit through details of the abuse knowing that it changes nothing. If you think you could do it while sat there with living happy kids then you’re a fucking moron and breathtakingly cruel.

I have a DS that age, I couldn't watch the video either.
Evil, evil scumbags.
There is no punishment that could be justice for what they've done but I hope their lives are made hell and they never see freedom again.
I hope that darling boy now rests in peace.

These threads only go one of two ways. Either posters compete to see who is the most grief stricken, or they compete to see who can come up with the most vicious punishment they would like to see inflicted as revenge (which is more than a little ironic, given the circumstances).

Totally agree

I agree.
I would defy any decent and loving parent to sit through a trial and listen to every last detail of how their child was tortured and beaten to death.
I couldn't. I doubt I would ever get out of a psychiatric hospital if I did.

I hope these two scumbags get fucking tortured in prison.

Theres a difference between torturing and killing your own child and wanting two child murderers to suffer just as badly.

I wish I had never read the article. Absolutely vile disgusting and horrific. That poor kid. He’s been in my thoughts all day, feel so heartbroken for him. Glad they’ve been jailed for almost 40 years, still nowhere near enough but the anger in me hopes that both those evil monsters are forever scared and beaten the shit out of.

What a sweet, gentle boy he was, the pictures of him happy and smiling were heartbreaking. I cannot comprehend such vile people.

Exactly. Maybe he wants to remember his boy in happier times.

Exactly. And also...isn't the dad in Poland. He probably speaks no English, and has limited funds, why would he travel to a foreign country ,where he doesn't speak the language so wouldn't understand a word of what was going on, and pay a fortune in hotels etc. just to have to relive the horror his son went through.

The only question I would have is why the father sent him to live with a mother who he hadn't actually known since he was 3 years old. I know she's his mother, so some people might think he would be better off with her, but surely common sense would have told that he's better off staying with his father who he had known and grown up with .

Poor child. Can you imagine that he was so alone in life that he didn’t even have anyone to help him/confide this? Really, what sentence in prison could be long enough to be justice for this?

They don’t all die. I grew up in and out of foster care and knew kids who had been through torment like the kind you can’t imagine as a normal person, the kind my kids couldn’t comprehend. None of us thought it was odd or unusual really. Lots of us still excitedly looked forward to visiting our parents in special contact centres/prison, and if contact was disallowed many children still kept photos of their parents/talked about them all the time. Some children just squeak through, or it’s not ‘that bad’ or they get lucky.

I hope so, death isn't good enough for them, I hope they lead long fucking miserable lives.

I haven't read all the comments. But when this case was reported a few months ago I said to my coworkers that the details would be horrific. Killing a small child is one thing (and no less horrifying), but to beat to death an almost adult size person is something else. I can't think too much of it as it as its just too much to bear. I actually hate humans so much. The pain this child, (because that's what he was) went through, is beyond horrific. There is too much horror in this world.

Wrong to say heat of the moment here. This happened over weeks this type of abuse usually does.