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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think this man was patronisingly rude at work?

152 replies

FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 21:23

Hi all, sorry in advance for the long post. I just wanted some thoughts on a strange occurrence I had at work today.
I’m a supply teacher. I returned to one of my long-term schools today to find that an agency TA has been covering a member of staff in my usual class. He seemed nice enough- at first that is. After the class teacher (who I was covering) left, he asked me several questions, including whether if I was usually in this class, am I on agency, how do I find that etc. I didn’t really think anything of it- these aren’t unusual questions in a school amongst agency staff etc.

However throughout the day he began to make unnecessary digs and rude comments towards me, that nobody else noticed. It started before break time when another staff member told him that the students’ snack list is stuck to the cupboard as she had to leave the class. Seeing that we were short staffed, I asked him if he wanted help preparing the snacks (this is normally the TA’s role but I’ve always offered to help if I’m not busy). He answered ‘Er, yeah?’ As if somehow in his head it was a no brainer and that it’s part of my role to help him. It isn’t and I was just being nice- which completely not only went over his head, but HE was rude when I offered him help- who does that? At the kitchenette area, since he was prepping stuff, I asked him who was having what. He proceeded to point to the list above the cupboard (that he had only just been told about himself) and said ‘the list is here- do you see it?’ When he did this, I got a very uneasy feeling. What was I supposed to reply to that? I could’ve made a sarcastic remark back but the truth is, I was completely blindsided and the passive aggressive attitude just came out of nowhere, I’d never met the man a day in my life and at that point I'd had no problem with him.

Other examples are, before break I tried to reach for a ball that was on top of the cupboard and he said ‘don’t worry about that’ and swiped it himself. Someone watching may have thought it was innocent and helpful enough but it seemed somewhat sexist- I’m a tall woman and would’ve gotten it a few moments later. I thought it odd that he said ‘don’t worry’ and did it for me rather than asking whether I needed help.

The last thing he said that was completely unnecessary was me suggesting that he make his way to his next class as it was time. One of my colleagues stated that we needed his help to get the kids to the next classroom so we could all go down together. He then added ‘that makes sense.’ AIBU to think that this man was unnecessarily rude and passive aggressive? I really don’t know what his problem was but it gave me the creeps that it seemed so targeted. I want to add that my colleagues really seemed to like him and one of them was even giving him compliments like ‘you’re a natural’ etc. which obviously wasn’t helping. They were oblivious. Towards the end I made up my mind to just dismiss him and avoid contact. The last encounter I had with him was opening the classroom door as he was about to make his way out. I was so p*ssed off by then that I just walked through it first. He then (again, passive aggressively) said ‘Can I get through the door?’- I completely blanked him as again it was an unnecessary comment. Just writing this I can’t believe this person’s behaviour. I was nothing but nice to him at the start of the day, probably too nice, which he possibly took for weakness.

The whole ordeal made me extremely uncomfortable and really reminded me of that dynamic you see in emotionally abusive relationships where one person is constantly putting the other down but no one else can detect it but them? It’s hard to explain. At first I just thought maybe he was a sexist or something but the class teacher had nothing but good things to say about him and it began to dawn on me that he seemed to behave this way after learning the information that I was also on agency and decided I wasn’t worth respecting, which is absolutely disgusting if true. I’m just really confused as to why someone would behave like this? Any thoughts or similar experiences with odd people and behaviours at regarding perceived hierarchies/status at work? Is there a name for this type of personality or behaviour because I’m so baffled and offended. I’m supposed to be working with him one more day and as you can imagine, I’m hardly looking forward to it. Also please don’t tell me to confront this person, a classroom is not the place for that, I barely know him and he is likely to be moving on anyway. I also supposed he’s the type who would feign innocence or make it seem like I was crazy if I did bring anything up as his behaviour was so subtle at times. I do wonder if this individual treats women like this in his personal life, it really bothered me. He was such a red flag.

OP posts:
psycho2 · 03/11/2022 07:02

I think he is probably accustomed to having the wimmins fawning all over him because he has male entitlement

eh I've seen plenty of women acting bitchy in the workplace-is that female entitlement? No its because some people are just dicks, gender isn't relevant.

MRex · 03/11/2022 07:04

Disagreeing isn't gaslighting.

Fourdayweekplease · 03/11/2022 07:12

Seem to recall your previous posts.. Moaning about staff being rude and offhand, not enough support being given in your course, etc. etc

Sorry OP I think the common denominator is you.

Noodge · 03/11/2022 07:13

Going against the grain, it seems your 'third eye' has picked up subliminal factors about him. I'd be pleasant and professional but wary.

PantyMcPantFace · 03/11/2022 07:14

Agency TA nIce to permenent teachers. Mask on.
Agency TA shitty to Agency Teacher. He didn't feel like he needed his mask.

I am with a trust your instincts. He was being a twat.

But also, seriously, let it go. This is a minor, minor scratch in life. Ignore it and it will heal without you noticing it. Pick at it/take umbrage/play it over in your mind/role play in your head what you will say to him next time you see him.....all of these will just pick at the scratch and make it bleed and scar.

Let it go.

Kiplingroad · 03/11/2022 07:23

He sounds like an absolute dickhead but don't give him too energy - he's not worth it.

The other teacher telling him he's 'a natural' is more annoying - I get really tired of men being fawned over and told they are wonderful for being absolutely average and no more.

Iknowforsure1 · 03/11/2022 07:25

I think you love drama. I’d love to hear it from his point of view too.

psycho2 · 03/11/2022 07:27

*But also, seriously, let it go. This is a minor, minor scratch in life. Ignore it and it will heal without you noticing it. Pick at it/take umbrage/play it over in your mind/role play in your head what you will say to him next time you see him.....all of these will just pick at the scratch and make it bleed and scar.

Let it go*

This-a fair and reasonable response. So many small things on mn get escalated beyond sense. If we were all to follow the advice on mn of 'ltb', 'end the friendship', 'go to HR', 'confront him/her to his face' etc over trivial things we'd make life extremely stressful for ourselves.

The amount of threads any little workplace conflict/issue is described people say they'd run to the mgmt is absurd and totally detached from reality.

Anyolshit · 03/11/2022 07:27

Only read the first page so far but I think this is a classic Mumsnet phenomenon whereby the first response dictates the way the thread will go. I’m surprised so many people are saying yabu. Reading your OP I completely understood where you were coming from. I think it’s a good idea to think up some responses to these kind of comments so you’re prepared for passive aggressive types. They can really blindside us.

Backtoblack1 · 03/11/2022 07:28

TA with a chip on his shoulder, possibly envious of you. I’ve seen this a lot sadly. Ignore his digs but be pleasant and polite towards him or he will be telling people he think there’s ‘red flags’ around you.

Maytodecember · 03/11/2022 07:34

It’s the old “ I could do your job”. You’re being paid more than him and he resents it.

SoupDragon · 03/11/2022 07:36

TBH, the only thing that stands out is that he was perhaps rude/abrupt over the snacks.

I think the subtlety of the digs tell me that this is someone who would act like they don't know what on earth I'm talking about

or they weren't actually digs at all and it's just a personality clash/misunderstanding.

Notmyyearthisyear · 03/11/2022 07:41

FluffySlippers12 · 03/11/2022 00:05

He wouldn't have any because I treated him with respect, as I do all colleagues.

No you didn’t. But it’s clear you’re not going to accept it despite having a lot of feedback on here.

xPeaceX · 03/11/2022 07:46

Harsh responses imo

The world is divided in to two categories. Those who externalise and blame/ threaten others when they're threatened or feel stress
and those who internalise and agonise self-reflecting over what they could have done when somebody is cold towards him.

Being a people pleaser in recovery, many times in my youth somebody took an instant dislike to me because they were also insecure (often less visibly so, or less detectably so).

So.......... having been through what you're going through many times but less so since I have overcome my people pleasing tendencies I'd use the shine a light on it technique.

You have to stick to it though, if you go rogue it can escalate.

So supposing you say to him

Darren, is everything ok?
If he says ''yeh yeh of course, why? what's wrong with you, are YOU ok?''
Just smile serenely calmly and take him at his false word that he is ok. Say
'''I'm relieved you're ok''.

Then leave it, or ask him if he'd like a cup of tea. or coffee. Signal maturity, communication, lack of ego. You are the teacher. You can afford in this instance of opening up communication to solidify the white flag with the offer of a cup of tea. Right. Or whatever.

The key is to take the person at their word. Even if you're itching to say well if you're ok what they hell is all the passive aggressive shit about? just smile, act glad that you raised it. Act like the air is cleared.

This tiny thing signals to the passive aggressive person that perhaps you are a bit braver than they had thought. Perhaps you have more of a back bone than they had thought. Perhaps you're a more skilled communicator than they had thought.

let this sit for a few days

In the immediate aftermath his ego is smarting but let this new knowledge sit with him for a few days.

There are more steps to this if the first step doesn't work.

But take it very slowly to avoid escalation.

I wish now I could go back in time and use this technique on various beeatches. But it's too late. I think I'm emanating a new resilience though. When i started at a new job I wondered how long it would be before the internally insecure externally dominant passive aggressive ''popular''' woman singled me out for coldness.. She did start ignoring me and only me and then I asked her was she ok? ie, just, i'm good I know I'm fine this weird childish shit is you.
She dialled it back a notch.

A lot of people aren't going to ''attract'' passive aggressive behaviour because they are very outwardly confident so at least 50% of people will misunderstand that you're paranoid.

Maybe the answer is to care less. I guess. A lot of the world's problems would be solved if we all just cared less. And at the end of the day, you are the teacher, on a teacher's salary/rates. It's not a permanent job for either of you, one or both of you will move on soon. channel insouciance. This is a temporary issue.

ElegantlyTouched · 03/11/2022 07:50

Don't offer to help with snack today, find something else to do. And haven't you got some laminating he needs to do, a asked with a big smile of course.

I think he subtly needs reminding you're the class teacher.@

Conkersareback · 03/11/2022 07:51

You think you're right, lots think you're wrong!

You didn't treat him with respect, you were rude just walking through the door, rude blanking hm.

There is a word for your behaviour, paranoid.

Thepeopleversuswork · 03/11/2022 07:51

It sounds to me like he is someone who lacks a bit of social awareness, isn't a people person and doesn't respond brilliantly to new people, as opposed to him actively being passive aggressive. A lot of people who are set in their ways or introverted struggle with new people coming into the equation in a work setting. I think you're reading too much into what is basically social awkwardness.

xPeaceX · 03/11/2022 07:52

Maytodecember · 03/11/2022 07:34

It’s the old “ I could do your job”. You’re being paid more than him and he resents it.

yeh, he could do your job if he went to university for about four years. Anyway, I agree about plausible deniability. Any one dig will be just insignificant enough that if you raise it, you look supersensitive.

The only answer I think is to know that if they're trying to bring you down it's because they feel you're above them. Which professionally, you are. But you're an uppity woman in his eyes and should know your place.

Definitely check he's ok, as per the shine a light technique. Careful not to escalate to stage two before he's had time to sit with the new information that you have more backbone than he would have guessed.

After checking he's ok, then kill him with kindness for a few days. Don't actually do anthing for him but just ''thank you SO much'' '''Good morning Darren''.

I don't know why I'm calling him Darren.

TigerTinsel · 03/11/2022 07:54

He would grate on me too I agree he sounds rude and passive aggressive based on your examples. Arrogant too.

pastabakeonaplate · 03/11/2022 07:54

The door thing is fair enough though tbh if he opened it to go through and you pushed past him? Or maybe it didn't happen like that.

Anyway. He sounds like he was a bit jealous he wasnt in the teacher role? Maybe he's a qualified teacher and is like how come I wasn't asked to step up?

But that's still not an excuse.

sue20 · 03/11/2022 07:57

rwalker · 02/11/2022 21:36

Think it’s a case of you clearly don’t like him

Simply this. But sometimes a person can just really piss you off and it doesn’t go away. I’ve had a couple of instant reactions to people in life it’s just one of those things. He sounds like quite a dick head but it’s your feelings that matter not his behaviour. Try not to react it could affect your future employment and you only have one day to suffer him. I think his behaviour is competitive coming from insecurity but not your problem just don’t engage.

SnackSizeRaisin · 03/11/2022 07:57

I think it sounds like op is the passive aggressive one from what was said. If you clearly had nothing else to do then help with snacks, or otherwise go and do something else. Then to ask about the snack list when you had both been told it was there... seems like you're implying it was his job to read it not yours. The ball thing I don't get and barging through a door was just rude of you. The other incident sounds like nothing really.
Have to say it sounds like too many people with not enough to do all treading on each others toes. Why are there 3 people in one classroom?

sue20 · 03/11/2022 08:00

xPeaceX · 03/11/2022 07:52

yeh, he could do your job if he went to university for about four years. Anyway, I agree about plausible deniability. Any one dig will be just insignificant enough that if you raise it, you look supersensitive.

The only answer I think is to know that if they're trying to bring you down it's because they feel you're above them. Which professionally, you are. But you're an uppity woman in his eyes and should know your place.

Definitely check he's ok, as per the shine a light technique. Careful not to escalate to stage two before he's had time to sit with the new information that you have more backbone than he would have guessed.

After checking he's ok, then kill him with kindness for a few days. Don't actually do anthing for him but just ''thank you SO much'' '''Good morning Darren''.

I don't know why I'm calling him Darren.

What is shine a light technique?

LolaSmiles · 03/11/2022 08:01

I think he subtly needs reminding you're the class teacher.

There's a time and a place for discussing roles and responsibilities in the classroom so everyone is on the same page, but anything that boils down to I'm a teacher and you're not is the sort of thing that goes down badly.

From the OP's post it doesn't sound like he's actually done anything wrong other than rub her up the wrong way. He might be a common variety dickhead. They exist everywhere.

BingBangBollocks · 03/11/2022 08:02

Sometimes personalities just clash , put it down to you both rubbing each other up the wrong way
As long as the children were taught I'd move on