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AIBU?

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To think this man was patronisingly rude at work?

152 replies

FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 21:23

Hi all, sorry in advance for the long post. I just wanted some thoughts on a strange occurrence I had at work today.
I’m a supply teacher. I returned to one of my long-term schools today to find that an agency TA has been covering a member of staff in my usual class. He seemed nice enough- at first that is. After the class teacher (who I was covering) left, he asked me several questions, including whether if I was usually in this class, am I on agency, how do I find that etc. I didn’t really think anything of it- these aren’t unusual questions in a school amongst agency staff etc.

However throughout the day he began to make unnecessary digs and rude comments towards me, that nobody else noticed. It started before break time when another staff member told him that the students’ snack list is stuck to the cupboard as she had to leave the class. Seeing that we were short staffed, I asked him if he wanted help preparing the snacks (this is normally the TA’s role but I’ve always offered to help if I’m not busy). He answered ‘Er, yeah?’ As if somehow in his head it was a no brainer and that it’s part of my role to help him. It isn’t and I was just being nice- which completely not only went over his head, but HE was rude when I offered him help- who does that? At the kitchenette area, since he was prepping stuff, I asked him who was having what. He proceeded to point to the list above the cupboard (that he had only just been told about himself) and said ‘the list is here- do you see it?’ When he did this, I got a very uneasy feeling. What was I supposed to reply to that? I could’ve made a sarcastic remark back but the truth is, I was completely blindsided and the passive aggressive attitude just came out of nowhere, I’d never met the man a day in my life and at that point I'd had no problem with him.

Other examples are, before break I tried to reach for a ball that was on top of the cupboard and he said ‘don’t worry about that’ and swiped it himself. Someone watching may have thought it was innocent and helpful enough but it seemed somewhat sexist- I’m a tall woman and would’ve gotten it a few moments later. I thought it odd that he said ‘don’t worry’ and did it for me rather than asking whether I needed help.

The last thing he said that was completely unnecessary was me suggesting that he make his way to his next class as it was time. One of my colleagues stated that we needed his help to get the kids to the next classroom so we could all go down together. He then added ‘that makes sense.’ AIBU to think that this man was unnecessarily rude and passive aggressive? I really don’t know what his problem was but it gave me the creeps that it seemed so targeted. I want to add that my colleagues really seemed to like him and one of them was even giving him compliments like ‘you’re a natural’ etc. which obviously wasn’t helping. They were oblivious. Towards the end I made up my mind to just dismiss him and avoid contact. The last encounter I had with him was opening the classroom door as he was about to make his way out. I was so p*ssed off by then that I just walked through it first. He then (again, passive aggressively) said ‘Can I get through the door?’- I completely blanked him as again it was an unnecessary comment. Just writing this I can’t believe this person’s behaviour. I was nothing but nice to him at the start of the day, probably too nice, which he possibly took for weakness.

The whole ordeal made me extremely uncomfortable and really reminded me of that dynamic you see in emotionally abusive relationships where one person is constantly putting the other down but no one else can detect it but them? It’s hard to explain. At first I just thought maybe he was a sexist or something but the class teacher had nothing but good things to say about him and it began to dawn on me that he seemed to behave this way after learning the information that I was also on agency and decided I wasn’t worth respecting, which is absolutely disgusting if true. I’m just really confused as to why someone would behave like this? Any thoughts or similar experiences with odd people and behaviours at regarding perceived hierarchies/status at work? Is there a name for this type of personality or behaviour because I’m so baffled and offended. I’m supposed to be working with him one more day and as you can imagine, I’m hardly looking forward to it. Also please don’t tell me to confront this person, a classroom is not the place for that, I barely know him and he is likely to be moving on anyway. I also supposed he’s the type who would feign innocence or make it seem like I was crazy if I did bring anything up as his behaviour was so subtle at times. I do wonder if this individual treats women like this in his personal life, it really bothered me. He was such a red flag.

OP posts:
oopsfellover · 03/11/2022 06:00

Hope it’s helped to write everything down. He does sound annoying, but try to ignore and rise above.

SeasonFinale · 03/11/2022 06:02

You decided you don't like him so some of these niggles are because of that. If you liked him they would be non issues.

Redkettle · 03/11/2022 06:04

Definitely power play going on. I'd nip it in the bud and make it clear next time he speaks to you like that it's not welcomed. Always get one in a new job like this who make newcomers feel stupid. I have one right now so I killed her with kindness and it stopped. So either approach may be needed

donttellmehesalive · 03/11/2022 06:08

I think you are over-reacting and are being too sensitive.

You asked him to do something and he replied 'er yeah'

You asked about snacks and he pointed at a list and said 'do you see it?'

You struggled to reach a ball so he got it.

He replied 'that makes sense' to a suggestion.

I honestly, truly do not see what he has done wrong, despite only hearing your side of the story. I guess he could have said or done at least some of these things with a bit of attitude but then you barged through a door and didn't answer him. He sounds well regarded so I hope he doesn't tell the Head about your shortcomings or you won't be invited back.

Doingmybest12 · 03/11/2022 06:09

I missed or that you are supply too, oh definitely power play from both of you going on. You are the adults in the room .

HappyDays40 · 03/11/2022 06:11

It's so hard to express in writing isn't it OP but here must have been something there in his actions or tone to make you feel that way. Best just to ignore.
I am relatively new with my employer and there is a woman who is just as experienced as I am. I've been qualified 20 years and she doesn't realise that I've been doing her role as part of my last employment for the last eleven years. She quite condescending to me and I've been writing notes just to help me to make sense of it but on paper it looks so banal!

CheshireDing · 03/11/2022 06:12

As others have said it’s power play on his part

’pardon!’ When he’s rude

give him tasks

dont offer to help with his

KatherineJaneway · 03/11/2022 06:20

Sounds like you had a personality clash and rubbed each other up the wrong way all day.

Rainbowcat99 · 03/11/2022 06:21

Ok so snacks, I'm in a similar job I think and the teacher pitches in with that sort of thing routinely so your "do you want a hand?" And implying that it wasn't your job might have rubbed him up the wrong way inadvertently.

Reaching for the ball.... this was not an incident, just him trying to be helpful but apparently not quite the way you liked it.

You telling him to go to his next class, the member of staff saying you actually needed his help and him saying "that makes sense"
You made a mistake here pure and simple. You tried to send him on his way, that would have left you and the other member of staff struggling so it had to be corrected, nobody was patronising you but the children come first.
You walking through the door ahead of him, can't really visualise it so it could have been either of you.

You're describing the day as "an ordeal" is dramatic to say the least. I wonder what the TAs thread would look like if he made one.

BradleyHolsh · 03/11/2022 06:25

There are either a lot of trolls on this board, or people haven’t themselves come across this type before. The type is toxic. I know exactly what you mean OP. I had a junior colleague come into my workplace. He was promoted (not by me) to work with me as equals on a project. He acted as you described and scaled it up until he was dripping with sarcasm each time he spoke to me. Unfortunately he was also incompetent in some areas of the job. I and some others after a year of this nonsense alerted management that we had a problem. Management sat on their hands but eventually the man left. Once he left lots of colleagues came forward to say he was horrific to you wasn’t he … but they didn’t say this prior to him leaving, even when asked by management. Luckily you won’t have to work with him daily. I would compartmentalise him in your mind as the obnoxious little troll he is. Don’t try to be nice to him - he’s a troll with the usual massive insecurities of trolls. Being nice doesn’t work, and don’t bother trying to persuade colleagues he’s a troll too. Next time he speaks to you like crap, I would take him aside and say his tone is out of order and if he continues to have a problem with working with you you will report it. If he feigns ignorance stand firm - ‘your tone is obnoxious and you other sort out your attitude problem or you will be reported’. Treat him like a primary kid in other words. He’s getting energy from trolling so pull rank. And don’t avoid the school because there’s a troll. Good luck, I know where you are coming from. And to the gaslighters on this board, get a grip.

sorrynotathome · 03/11/2022 06:26

I’m still reeling from the idea that teachers (or anyone frankly) prepare snacks for school children.

ImustLearn2Cook · 03/11/2022 06:31

KatherineJaneway · 03/11/2022 06:20

Sounds like you had a personality clash and rubbed each other up the wrong way all day.

That was my impression too. I do think the way he said ‘do you see it’ is rude and also sounded like someone who was frustrated with you. When you offered to help him prepare the snack he might have been a bit off with you because he was hoping to get a break from you and then you followed him in.

What you did when you barged through the door, that he was opening for himself to go through, was not only rude but aggressive. And I don’t think you are justified.

donttellmehesalive · 03/11/2022 06:31

CheshireDing · 03/11/2022 06:12

As others have said it’s power play on his part

’pardon!’ When he’s rude

give him tasks

dont offer to help with his

It won't be necessary. OP is supply so won't be back (unless he's nicer than she thinks and says nothing).

ZeroFuchsGiven · 03/11/2022 06:33

It sounds like one of those situations where 'you had to be there'.

Rainbowcat99 · 03/11/2022 06:35

@BradleyHolsh you're seriously calling people trolls and gas lighters because they didn't instantly agree with how awful this man was? People are providing different perspectives because at the end of the day we weren't there and there will be two sides to the story. There always are.

Mamoun · 03/11/2022 06:38

Ignore him.
It is hugely passive aggressive and I completely see what you are talking about.

It is super aggressive (especially the repetition of events) but so subtle that even when you explain it you're in danger as coming across as over sensitive. It is horrible as you feel completely gaslighted as well. It's happening on mumsnet with all the reactions!

Ignore him and trust your gut feeling that he's an idiot & move on.

Trust yourself.

Mamoun · 03/11/2022 06:40

BradleyHolsh · 03/11/2022 06:25

There are either a lot of trolls on this board, or people haven’t themselves come across this type before. The type is toxic. I know exactly what you mean OP. I had a junior colleague come into my workplace. He was promoted (not by me) to work with me as equals on a project. He acted as you described and scaled it up until he was dripping with sarcasm each time he spoke to me. Unfortunately he was also incompetent in some areas of the job. I and some others after a year of this nonsense alerted management that we had a problem. Management sat on their hands but eventually the man left. Once he left lots of colleagues came forward to say he was horrific to you wasn’t he … but they didn’t say this prior to him leaving, even when asked by management. Luckily you won’t have to work with him daily. I would compartmentalise him in your mind as the obnoxious little troll he is. Don’t try to be nice to him - he’s a troll with the usual massive insecurities of trolls. Being nice doesn’t work, and don’t bother trying to persuade colleagues he’s a troll too. Next time he speaks to you like crap, I would take him aside and say his tone is out of order and if he continues to have a problem with working with you you will report it. If he feigns ignorance stand firm - ‘your tone is obnoxious and you other sort out your attitude problem or you will be reported’. Treat him like a primary kid in other words. He’s getting energy from trolling so pull rank. And don’t avoid the school because there’s a troll. Good luck, I know where you are coming from. And to the gaslighters on this board, get a grip.

This exactly

alwaysmovingforwards · 03/11/2022 06:43

KatherineJaneway · 03/11/2022 06:20

Sounds like you had a personality clash and rubbed each other up the wrong way all day.

The sexual tension in the OP is palpable.

Just wait for the Christmas party..

onlythreenow · 03/11/2022 06:44

I never understand how people like you get through life, analysing every remark and action. Just chill.

CMZ2018 · 03/11/2022 06:44

And you’re a teacher? Stop moaning on the internet and tackle it at the time or get on with it. No wonder most kids are turning into hand wringers

GreenManalishi · 03/11/2022 06:45

I'm not sure that this qualifies as an "ordeal" of a day, however I hope you have a better one today.

Is there a name for this personal type or behaviour? He might just be a common or garden dickhead, they walk amongst us.

I'm not sure how or who you would go about reporting an indescribable weird vibe to as a temp, it's likely to backfire. Try and keep this in perspective and reboot your sense of humour.

People are weird and most of the time of has absolutely nothing to do with you, it's not personal.

euff · 03/11/2022 06:45

Unfortunately OP you can't raise it as you'll likely get some of the responses you've seen on here. I can understand what you mean. It could be a power/ lack of respect thing as you aren't permanent staff there.
It could also be that sometimes people take an instant dislike to someone in the same way they take an instant liking to another. You've hopefully got only one more day with him. Deep breath and get it over with or as a pp said ask him to repeat himself each and every time he's snarky. It's a shame they didn't rearrange things so that both staff in the class weren't agency.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt on the snacks - I know he was shown by another TA where the snack list was but if he's not used to that school could he be used to environments where the teacher and TA do the snacks together and assumed it would be the same here. Only saying that as you said you've done it elsewhere but at this school it's the TA role. Doesn't excuse his condescension though.

ZooTropia · 03/11/2022 06:48

I'm with you. He sounds like a proper twat. Almost expect him to pull your pigtails at school and someone saying, Oo he fancies you. You know the type, horrible to you then you make an extra effort to be nice to him because that's what he expects to happen. Blank him whenever you can.
When he said about getting through the door, you should have said, yes of course you can, you're only little.

LolaSmiles · 03/11/2022 06:54

It sounds like he was rude about the snack, but some of the other things I don't find an issue.

But I've also worked with smiling assassins in schools so appreciate there might be a particular vibe you pick up on with some people.

PortalooSunset · 03/11/2022 06:55

SeasonFinale · 03/11/2022 06:02

You decided you don't like him so some of these niggles are because of that. If you liked him they would be non issues.

Agree with this. You're overreacting imo. None of the things you reported would have bothered me.
And "he's a massive red flag"? You have to work with him, not date him.