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AIBU?

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To think this man was patronisingly rude at work?

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FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 21:23

Hi all, sorry in advance for the long post. I just wanted some thoughts on a strange occurrence I had at work today.
I’m a supply teacher. I returned to one of my long-term schools today to find that an agency TA has been covering a member of staff in my usual class. He seemed nice enough- at first that is. After the class teacher (who I was covering) left, he asked me several questions, including whether if I was usually in this class, am I on agency, how do I find that etc. I didn’t really think anything of it- these aren’t unusual questions in a school amongst agency staff etc.

However throughout the day he began to make unnecessary digs and rude comments towards me, that nobody else noticed. It started before break time when another staff member told him that the students’ snack list is stuck to the cupboard as she had to leave the class. Seeing that we were short staffed, I asked him if he wanted help preparing the snacks (this is normally the TA’s role but I’ve always offered to help if I’m not busy). He answered ‘Er, yeah?’ As if somehow in his head it was a no brainer and that it’s part of my role to help him. It isn’t and I was just being nice- which completely not only went over his head, but HE was rude when I offered him help- who does that? At the kitchenette area, since he was prepping stuff, I asked him who was having what. He proceeded to point to the list above the cupboard (that he had only just been told about himself) and said ‘the list is here- do you see it?’ When he did this, I got a very uneasy feeling. What was I supposed to reply to that? I could’ve made a sarcastic remark back but the truth is, I was completely blindsided and the passive aggressive attitude just came out of nowhere, I’d never met the man a day in my life and at that point I'd had no problem with him.

Other examples are, before break I tried to reach for a ball that was on top of the cupboard and he said ‘don’t worry about that’ and swiped it himself. Someone watching may have thought it was innocent and helpful enough but it seemed somewhat sexist- I’m a tall woman and would’ve gotten it a few moments later. I thought it odd that he said ‘don’t worry’ and did it for me rather than asking whether I needed help.

The last thing he said that was completely unnecessary was me suggesting that he make his way to his next class as it was time. One of my colleagues stated that we needed his help to get the kids to the next classroom so we could all go down together. He then added ‘that makes sense.’ AIBU to think that this man was unnecessarily rude and passive aggressive? I really don’t know what his problem was but it gave me the creeps that it seemed so targeted. I want to add that my colleagues really seemed to like him and one of them was even giving him compliments like ‘you’re a natural’ etc. which obviously wasn’t helping. They were oblivious. Towards the end I made up my mind to just dismiss him and avoid contact. The last encounter I had with him was opening the classroom door as he was about to make his way out. I was so p*ssed off by then that I just walked through it first. He then (again, passive aggressively) said ‘Can I get through the door?’- I completely blanked him as again it was an unnecessary comment. Just writing this I can’t believe this person’s behaviour. I was nothing but nice to him at the start of the day, probably too nice, which he possibly took for weakness.

The whole ordeal made me extremely uncomfortable and really reminded me of that dynamic you see in emotionally abusive relationships where one person is constantly putting the other down but no one else can detect it but them? It’s hard to explain. At first I just thought maybe he was a sexist or something but the class teacher had nothing but good things to say about him and it began to dawn on me that he seemed to behave this way after learning the information that I was also on agency and decided I wasn’t worth respecting, which is absolutely disgusting if true. I’m just really confused as to why someone would behave like this? Any thoughts or similar experiences with odd people and behaviours at regarding perceived hierarchies/status at work? Is there a name for this type of personality or behaviour because I’m so baffled and offended. I’m supposed to be working with him one more day and as you can imagine, I’m hardly looking forward to it. Also please don’t tell me to confront this person, a classroom is not the place for that, I barely know him and he is likely to be moving on anyway. I also supposed he’s the type who would feign innocence or make it seem like I was crazy if I did bring anything up as his behaviour was so subtle at times. I do wonder if this individual treats women like this in his personal life, it really bothered me. He was such a red flag.

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BagOfBollocks · 02/11/2022 23:37

I'd love to read his thoughts about your behaviour/attitude too.

But YABU from what you've written.

FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 23:53

Mammyloveswine · 02/11/2022 23:01

I can't see anything bad? But your feelings are valid.

I suspect though that you felt threatened that he had made a good impression when you usually see yourself as swooping in to "save the day".

Also I'm a teacher and always prepare snack! I also change children if they need help...I clear up vomit..help in the dinner hall..

You also must have known about the list for allergies as you say the TA was only told a few moments before yet you turn asked him where it was..he was probably thinking "you were here when I was told! "

Anyway op you are on supply, just don't take the next job there or feed back to your agency who will feed back to the school (if you feel really strongly).

Hi, regarding the list- it wasn't an allergy one- just a write up of what they have at snack time- something they only recently put up on the cupboard door. It wasn't there when I was last in the class.

In this school, the TA's prep the snacks- teachers can and will help if enough time but due to the nature of the school it often isn't possible as there's too much to do, phone going off every minute, finishing off work etc. So the teacher rarely does it- the other permanent TA wasn't talking to me as she wasn't expecting me to do it.

I definitely don't feel strongly enough to complain, it was just after multiple comments, there was definitely a weird energy there.

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FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 23:55

I totally agree and normally I don't take anyone at work seriously at all. My issue was the five or more instances of passive aggressive comments. I can deal with an isolated incident or two but someone being like that in a classroom all day is a bit much.

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FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 23:57

PonyPatter44 · 02/11/2022 21:34

He sounds like a bit of a numpty, so I have no doubt he did come across as a bit patronising. I come across patronising people quite often at work, after a while you figure out that its pretty much their problem, not yours, and move on.

I totally agree and normally I don't take anyone at work seriously at all. My issue was the five or more instances of passive aggressive comments. I can deal with an isolated incident or two but someone being like that in a classroom all day is a bit much.

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FluffySlippers12 · 02/11/2022 23:59

StoneofDestiny · 02/11/2022 21:41

Also please don’t tell me to confront this person, a classroom is not the place for that
Maybe not in front of the pupils, but you can certainly confront him if you think it's justified when you are on your own with him.

I think the subtlety of the digs tell me that this is someone who would act like they don't know what on earth I'm talking about🙄

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VeniVidiWeeWee · 02/11/2022 23:59

The usual aibu, most subsequent posters , Yes, OP, NO I'm not.

mattyprice4004 · 03/11/2022 00:01

AssignedSlytherinAtBirth · 02/11/2022 21:40

I've had this kind of treatment as a temp working in offices. You learn to ignore these people and their little office power plays, because you're free to move on and they're stuck there (although I agree your situation is a bit different, but sounds as if he resents you for some reason).

Or it’s just a bonkers amount of paranoia.
Nothing about what was posted sounds particularly unreasonable.

FluffySlippers12 · 03/11/2022 00:03

IneedanewTV · 02/11/2022 22:59

I think you are the problem here. Why wouldn’t a teacher help prep the snacks?

I never said I wouldn't prepare the snacks and have done. At this specific school the TA's do it and it isn't a problem. There's a lot for everyone to do including behaviour management, phones going off and all sorts. If that's what you've taken from what I've said, that's on you.

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Orders76 · 03/11/2022 00:05

'That makes sense' is not a PA phrase, it's someone processing 'oh ok I understand now'
Bonkers

FluffySlippers12 · 03/11/2022 00:05

BagOfBollocks · 02/11/2022 23:37

I'd love to read his thoughts about your behaviour/attitude too.

But YABU from what you've written.

He wouldn't have any because I treated him with respect, as I do all colleagues.

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FluffySlippers12 · 03/11/2022 00:11

Jalepenojello · 02/11/2022 22:08

You’re being really weird about this. It all sounds fine and normal…he seems to the point, matter of fact, get the job done type. All good, no?

You're entitled to your opinion- however you don't think someone pointing to a piece of paper and saying- 'do you see it?' isn't condescending? The paper wasn't there previously and they would just ask the kids what they're having on the spot previously.

It was presumptuous of him to make any assumption of what I know about snack time as he knew I was supply staff also. I offered my help but that isn't my role in that particular classroom.

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Donttalkimcounting · 03/11/2022 02:31

What a load of waffle over someone you literally have to work with for 1 more day and never see again.

There's billions of people on this planet occasionally you're going to come across a few you don't like......

Confusion101 · 03/11/2022 04:23

FluffySlippers12 · 03/11/2022 00:11

You're entitled to your opinion- however you don't think someone pointing to a piece of paper and saying- 'do you see it?' isn't condescending? The paper wasn't there previously and they would just ask the kids what they're having on the spot previously.

It was presumptuous of him to make any assumption of what I know about snack time as he knew I was supply staff also. I offered my help but that isn't my role in that particular classroom.

How do you know who told him it was there unless you heard the convo? In which case you would've known where it is too?
Anyway sorry OP but I don't see much wrong with what you have described. Maybe there was a tone to it all that doesn't travel well on an online forum but I think YABU

GiltEdges · 03/11/2022 04:36

FluffySlippers12 · 03/11/2022 00:05

He wouldn't have any because I treated him with respect, as I do all colleagues.

Well, I drew a blank reading your examples of his rude/condescending behaviour. As he probably did.

The only person who was obviously rude was you when you barged through the door ahead of him.

TitInATrance · 03/11/2022 05:02

I get why you’re annoyed. I’d be inclined to ask him if he was feeling OK because he looks like someone with a headache.

emptythelitterbox · 03/11/2022 05:21

You sound a bit odd.
Not sure why you had to keep asking him every little thing when you already had worked there before. Just get on with it.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 03/11/2022 05:41

I totally see what you mean. Individually those instances are nothing, but put together it looks like a pattern. He seems to think that you are incompetent and as you say not worthy of respect.

I wouldn't offer to help with other tasks again. If he tries to take over you say I've got it thanks.

Sparklfairy · 03/11/2022 05:49

The one about prepping snacks was really off, but the others don't sound that bad written down BUT combine them with the first and add tone, body language and the fact he was rubbing you the wrong way all day and I can see where you're coming from.

Hes got some hierarchy in his head, and you're below him on it. Personally I would ignore, not offer to help in future with stuff that wasn't my job, and quietly push back if he tried to assume my job role was to be directed by him. "Oh I need to get this done" etc

pompomdaisy · 03/11/2022 05:51

It's his low self esteem kicking in. Pity him and move on.

Fraaahnces · 03/11/2022 05:52

I think he is probably accustomed to having the wimmins fawning all over him because he has male entitlement. He is a TA and you are a teacher. Next time you work together, don’t accommodate him, tell him what YOU want him to do. The comment about the door was a power play and frankly I would have said “There was plenty of room. I just went ahead of you. Can you please explain why you said that?”

Doingmybest12 · 03/11/2022 05:54

It sounds like he might come across as over confident and his approach is a bit off. You do seem very sensitive though and surely as a teacher you work with many people who may or may not be your cup of tea. Did he do what he needed to do? Was he good with the children? That is what I'd be thinking about. He is supply, at least he will move on.

Doingmybest12 · 03/11/2022 05:57

What is he like in his personal life, is it a red flag? Don't ponder it further.

autienotnaughty · 03/11/2022 05:59

Reading your post, the snack comments were rude. It seems he felt in some way superior (prob because you are a temp) The rest doesn't read so bad but it's hard to say not being there. If someone got a ball down or held a door for me I'd probably say thank you. He may have felt you were rude too?
If you work with him again I'd try to keep a level of authority and if you feel he's being rude I'd say "could you repeat that?" And look at him, if he still continues to be rude id say "I'm sure this is unintentional on your part but that sounds rude, just something for you to think about" then id give him a task and walk away.

torquewench · 03/11/2022 05:59

I have a couple of friends that work in primary schools and they talk to everyone, me included, like they're 6 years old. I think it's done out of habit rather than patronising. I usually reply with "yes miss", or raise my hand to ask a question. They get then hint.

MRex · 03/11/2022 05:59

You knew the list was there, so it was unnecessary to ask him for details, he shouldn't have been irritated by that but clearly was. You were particularly rude telling him to leave when he was still needed and then barging through the door ahead of him.

As for the rest, I think you're being much too sensitive. Maybe he didn't like you and had a tone, maybe your dislike of him came through in your tone - but you really need to work on your resilience if you struggle to manage a few sniffy comments over a few days.