To not understand the nastiness that being a housewife provokes 2

[Alondra]

Apologies for making a second part to this thread but I feel strongly about this issue.

Topgub

Possibly because there aren't any benefits

Few countries have a government system caring about women and children. The majority of our governments don't care if all have to work for a pittance to pay mortgage, bills and food when children are small because average couples need both wages. A system where nursery fees are stratospheric and eating half an average wage, and worse still, because parents working full time, making an average pay to be able to survive, have few serious tax concessions. Those tax concessions go to multinationals.

It's a system that only cares about productivity attached to $. If you are an engineer with projects worth a million dollars, your salary will be minimum 15% of that money annually. If you are a carer or a parent, there is no quoted money attached to your work, so you are in a low wage or no wage at all.

A woman with two kids working full time for an average salary has not gained much from my mother’s time. Working full time, taking care of the kids when they are home and doing the lion share of housework and rarely free time at all.

With housing costs, bills and health systems collapsing, I really fear for women in the next few years. We will get the short straw as we've always done, but it'll be a plus if, at least, we don't turn on each other.

She thinks everyone works in a cubicle where they are yelled at by their boss! All in the name of capitalist wage slavery and the “rat race”. No wonder we don’t have time to shape our eyebrows!

@AMorningstar

I didn't make this thread. Or blame it on you.

I was hoping to discuss the systemic issues which force women into the sexist choice of being a sahm but instead I'm some how stuck with your nonsense

Imagine taking a facetious comment about cubicles so literally lol. Obviously not every job involves a cubicle, and you well know I know that.

Mmm 🤔

I’m really surprised anyone is still responding to a morning Star. Very surprised.

Being a sahm isn't sexist. Is it sexist if a man chooses it? No? So why should it be for me, just because I happen to be female? That seems more sexist tbh

@TartanGirl1

@AMorningstar

A man can't be a sahm

They can be a sahd.

And no. Its not sexist if a man choises to be a sahd.

Pretending to be completely unaware of why the role of sahm is shaped by sexism isn't doing you any favours

I thought you were a housewife anyway?

Lucky that my partner likes and desires me in my natural state 🤷‍♀️

It doesn't cross my mind that he will leave - I'm repeating back what people say to me on here, and pointing out its funny that people think that meanwhile they're the ones engaging in behaviour that doesn't further their relationship. It's basic respect for your partner, male or female, to make an effort with the relationship and your appearance.

It's not naive. We don't plan to fail nor did either of us marry with the idea of ever getting divorced. It's not something either of us believe in and we both feel strongly about this.

You keep trying to project other peoples insecurities onto me and its actually really weird. If you're not secure enough in your relationship that you nerd a back up plan, you do you, but it couldn't be me.

Like I said in the previous thread, credit where it's due. A sequel has been spawned. From the thread by the porn loving kinkster who is against divorce and casual sex and likes telling us how women are all cows but men, oh, men are all buddy buddies who get on so well.

I don't like it at all, but I can't say I'm not impressed.

Sorry meant to type SAHP.

That's unfair then - a man can make a choice based on his interests and likes, yet I apparently can't? Simply because I am a woman? Seems misogynistic.

My kids are school age so depends on definition of SAHM.

It's ok if you don't believe in divorce. Divorce believes in you ❤

So does mine. That doesn't mean I won't bother with my appearance or continue to make an effort.

@AMorningstar

Yeah I havent said any of that.

You do what you want. Literally no one stopping you.

Can you make those choices and expect everyone else to cheer you on? To never face a negative comment or to accept the reality of how they conform to our sexist society?

Not imo.

But you do you hun.

We like each others personalities and values too. In fact one of my favourite things about my husband is that he's funny and we have a laugh together doing literally anything, whether it's going out all dressed up or wearing jogging bottoms and playing on the PS5 together. However it's normal to want to look attractive for your partner, for men and for women. It doesn't mean you only value them for their looks.

Yeah everyone who doesn't plan for divorce is naive and immature, only on MN where every other thread is about an ex husband or infidelity. Miserable fuckers.

Having savings behind you in case one of you becomes unable to work for whatever reason is not the same as planning for divorce.

You still haven't answered my question on whether your husband has life and disability insurance @AMorningstar

You misunderstand. What is naive and immature is presuming your relationship as somehow different to others (that fail) and infallible because you don’t “believe in” infidelity and divorce.

Not sure why some poster is posting pictures like a 14 year-old.

Anyway.., here it is. Topgub, you are obsessed by SAHMs.End of. It's so very very strange to me that yes... I am obsessed about why you are so obsessed. it's fascinating,

Can you try to answer why you are so obsessed with SAHMs, rather than deflecting? There is always an underlying reason. Btw, I used to be a psychotherapist so have come across my fair share of people with particular fixations.

Topgub has now made a thread about this one. I called it a few posts back