To not understand the nastiness that being a housewife provokes 2

[Alondra]

Apologies for making a second part to this thread but I feel strongly about this issue.

Topgub

Possibly because there aren't any benefits

Few countries have a government system caring about women and children. The majority of our governments don't care if all have to work for a pittance to pay mortgage, bills and food when children are small because average couples need both wages. A system where nursery fees are stratospheric and eating half an average wage, and worse still, because parents working full time, making an average pay to be able to survive, have few serious tax concessions. Those tax concessions go to multinationals.

It's a system that only cares about productivity attached to $. If you are an engineer with projects worth a million dollars, your salary will be minimum 15% of that money annually. If you are a carer or a parent, there is no quoted money attached to your work, so you are in a low wage or no wage at all.

A woman with two kids working full time for an average salary has not gained much from my mother’s time. Working full time, taking care of the kids when they are home and doing the lion share of housework and rarely free time at all.

With housing costs, bills and health systems collapsing, I really fear for women in the next few years. We will get the short straw as we've always done, but it'll be a plus if, at least, we don't turn on each other.

@AMorningstar

You keep complaining that others aren't standing up for you even though plenty have

Plenty, including you, have been rude and attacked me too.

I'm not waiting for some white Knight to come and defend my honour like some poor damsel in distress

Fight your own battles for fucksake

It's not misogynistic to point out that both of you being in full time work means you have less personal time for yourself and your partner has less time due to having to cram everything into the evenings. It's not misogynistic to say that people don't take relationships seriously, or that most women probably don't want to leave their children in childcare when theyre babies. Literally none of that is misogynistic.

I can and do fight my own battles, the girlbossing baddies cry when I do though. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of dog piling me for being rude when looking the other way when it's targeted at me

@AMorningstar if I’m really honest, reading your posts, particularly when you lost control , I’d have assumed a youngish single woman who is unemployed and quite isolated, who spends a lot of time alone, gaming and on line posting stuff.

@AMorningstar

No.

They are responding to you being rude to them

They're obviously not going to call out anyone else doing the same

Stop acting like you're a victim. You're not. You've instigated a lot of the rudeness without provocation.

And if you had just said that, you might have a point. Even though it's mostly bollocks

But you didn't

What you did say was mysoginist.

She’s a sad fantasist. And gave the game away a long time ago.

Well you'd be wrong. And I have never lost control. I have everything I want.

Also why do mumsnet women always talk like sad schoolteachers? You're honestly the most cringeworthy lot I've ever come across, there's a reason this forum is mocked everywhere else. I feel sorry for any of the poor men who do happen to be married to any of you, and don't blame them at all for the affairs they all seem to be engaging in given the reams of threads on the topic. It must be miserable being married to you lot.

@AMorningstar I honestly don't care whether your a sahp or a housewife. If you really believe you don't need a plan b should anything happen to your husband and his earning potential that's entirely up to you.

But you have been incredibly misogynistic.

I find this shocking given your only in your 20s. Your choice to be a housewife while imo short sighted and naive is fine but some of your views and opinions date back to the 1950s. You sound like you hate women.

What I find most scary about this is that your raising a daughter.

Some of your opinions on work are also incredibly narrow. I work pt and love what I do. I don't do it for the money but because I get genuine joy out of it for numerous reasons. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still do it. I'm certainly no wage slave. I'm not even particularly ambitious and have no desire to be more senior. My identify is not wholly based on my job but it is a massive part of who I am.

That's not to say you should work if you don't want to. It's to say you need to open your mind a bit more to the benefits of doing a job you love and are passionate about both to yourself, your children and your relationship.

Agree.
She sure has a lot of free time for someone with multiple young children and a busy life of hobbies.
Pretty much none stop posting for 36 hours or more and all through the morning and evening which one would assume is the busy time with kids whether you work or stay at home, kids still need breakfast, dressed, dinner, bath, bed. Funny timing.

I don't think my role is to "serve men" and it would be laughable to anyone who knows me for someone to conceptualise me as some sort of servant. My husband and I are a team. Neither of us serve the other.

But its okay, I'm a lying man, or a single woman, so it doesn't matter right? Your friends back there think they've got it figured out, every woman who challenges their ideas isn't actually a woman, or if she is she isn't really married, or if she is her husband is really cheating on her, or if that's not true then she's just trolling. Because it can't ever be possible for women to have differing opinions, we are all a monolith

In case there's anyone reading who actually did misunderstand the "gorilla in a wig and miniskirt level stuff" comment as you claim to have done, it was - very clearly - a reference to how convincing the character is.

It's what I always picture when one of these comes along. They are rarely this successful though.

Don't project the way you live your life onto me. It takes 2 minutes to write a post. Very easy to write one, do something else and then go back and write another one in the space of about 4 minutes.

I am who I say I am. I don't even use MN often, the start of this is the first time I've logged on in weeks. But stay mad and keep imagining whatever you need to help you cope.

I find it hilarious that OP has the nerve to suggest she doesn't blame pp husband's for having affairs.

OP listen, this is the honest truth, out of everyone on this thread, I would place my money on your husband being the one to eventually have an affair

No.

Not mysoginist or sexist at all.

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You really expect people to stand up for you while you're behaving like a petulant child having a temper tantrum, hurling sexist insults?

I'm not a character and it's offensive to say such a thing. Dare I say misogynistic to claim a woman is a fictitious creature just because she doesn't agree with you.

@AMorningstar isn't the op

@Alondra is

Although despite being so passionate about the issue she hasn't been seen fir dust once it turned into the @AMorningstar show.

You'd be wrong. Neither of us would ever have an affair and it's laughable that many of you keep trying to unseat the security of my relationship because you can't select good husbands yourself.

Not going to happen, and you won't make me insecure about my relationship either. Sorry.

I expect people to not be hypocritical and if they think me criticising their relationships is offensive and sexist, the same should apply to people criticising mine. But it doesn't, does it, because "feminists" on here only care about one type of woman

The accusations of trolling and spending too much time on mn are boring as fuck and help no one.

Sadly, women with these views are not uncommon. They do exist.

It's also really easy to quickly read and respond.

You lot turned it into "my show" by constantly quoting me, making stupid comments about me and my husband and being insulting...