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To not understand the nastiness that being a housewife provokes

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AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 17:43

Not just on MN. I don't even use MN that often but I see this on other social media websites too. If a woman shares something positive about being a housewife it's full of comments about how "being controlled by a man, couldn't be me!" "No thanks, I love my independence" or "just wait until he leaves you, then what". If a woman shares something negative about it its "see, this is why being a housewife is TERRIBLE" (yet no one would say "this is why having a career is terrible!" If a person was complaining about their job)

I saw someone earlier say they'd be devastated if their daughter wanted to be a SAHM.

Why does it provoke such vitriol? Other women choosing this doesn't force anyone else to, I don't get the complete lack of respect for people's decisions and lack of understanding that different people enjoy different things.

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FlamencoDance · 30/10/2022 22:46

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elprup · 30/10/2022 22:46

Not sure. I would absolutely love to be a SAHM - I know that the memories I have on my deathbed will be of the precious time I spent with my kids, not the hours and hours I was at work. I can’t afford it though sadly so work is my only option.

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:47

zinfren · 30/10/2022 22:45

Important point, and irony, is that OP isn't looking after her children, a teacher is employed to do that. She does a few domestic duties.

I work from home and do everything you do, OP, as do most of the rest of people in paid employment (aside from telly watching).

The fact you keep mentioning TV, when I don't even watch it, is again showing a lack of imagination on your part.

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:47

Farmageddon · 30/10/2022 21:59

Careful OP, your pettiness is showing a bit. You started out all 'why can't people be nicer' and have totally lost the high ground with your bitter responses.

Quite honestly, if you're happy with your choices, why do you even care what other people think? You will never get universal approval, none of us do.

But you seem to be spending a lot of time and energy trying to convince everyone that your life is perfect and we must all just be jealous....

The OP never called anyone jealous or claimed that, that was me who said that

elprup · 30/10/2022 22:47

Just to add that I’m very envious of anyone who is an SAHM by choice - you don’t know how lucky you are!

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:48

Dogsitter1 · 30/10/2022 22:00

OP, would you class yourself as a feminist and a good role model for young girls? Do you see yourself and your role as equal to your husband and his role?

Did you have any higher qualifications/ training that you put to one side when deciding to be a housewife? Or, was being a housewife something you aspired to (hoped for) as a traditional ideal?

I think it’s great you have time to do things you enjoy such as reading and painting, however- do you ever feel you should contribute to the greater good of people beyond your nuclear family?

Why the fuck do women always have to be a ‘role model to young girls’.

In any event, she’s doing what makes her happy - pretty good message to send IMO.

OhMaria2 · 30/10/2022 22:49

Livetoplay · 30/10/2022 19:31

I don’t really care if someone chooses to stay at home but. If it’s a permanent arrangement I
Would think that they lack ambition, that there must be some reason -
like they struggle with people or under pressure, and that they are foolish for being financially dependent on someone else.

Yes, it's impossible for them to have previously had their own caree. Ambition is also very important in a person...

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:50

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:47

The OP never called anyone jealous or claimed that, that was me who said that

I literally only said it once, to one person, who accuaed my husband of having an affair because i mentioned he was vocal about how important faithfulness is in a relationship. I cannot see any other reason someone would see that and say "well I bet he's having an affair anyway" thats just bitterness

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Refrosty · 30/10/2022 22:51

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:45

I’m amazed by all these posters who work in ‘very senior’ roles, full time, and still do school runs and dictate when and where they work.

What do you actually DO?! If you’re full time, how can you work between school runs? Don’t you make up for it? If not then don’t you feel bad that your work are paying you a full time wage for part time hours?

Guess what. Many many men all of this too nowadays. My DH does the school run 3 days a week and works for a city firm. I manage a team and some of them are mothers like me. We do a lot, but we can fit all in around our kids and still finish work on time.

Times have changed. Presenteeism isn't performance.

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:51

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:48

Why the fuck do women always have to be a ‘role model to young girls’.

In any event, she’s doing what makes her happy - pretty good message to send IMO.

Men don't get asked if they're role models to young boys, or if their careers are helping men as a group, or if they represent all men. Men get to just live.

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IhateHermioneGranger · 30/10/2022 22:51

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:50

I literally only said it once, to one person, who accuaed my husband of having an affair because i mentioned he was vocal about how important faithfulness is in a relationship. I cannot see any other reason someone would see that and say "well I bet he's having an affair anyway" thats just bitterness

For the second time I didn't say he was having an affair. 🙄 Go back and read my previous comment.

nonono1 · 30/10/2022 22:51

I too don’t understand why slaving away in some mediocre job (which let’s face it, is what the vast majority of us do) is somehow preferable to spending time with our kids.

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:52

IhateHermioneGranger · 30/10/2022 22:51

For the second time I didn't say he was having an affair. 🙄 Go back and read my previous comment.

You heavily implied it.

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IhateHermioneGranger · 30/10/2022 22:53

nonono1 · 30/10/2022 22:51

I too don’t understand why slaving away in some mediocre job (which let’s face it, is what the vast majority of us do) is somehow preferable to spending time with our kids.

It isn't for the most part but bills aren't something we can opt out of paying.

QS90 · 30/10/2022 22:54

I have a 2 year old and am expecting our 2nd. I have a part-time job I'm lucky enough to enjoy, but would gladly give up working to be a SAHM if we could afford it. I'm not married either. Yes, it would be difficult down the line if me and the OH were to break up, but I'd manage. And I'd have had all those years with my boys at home.

As for women having fulfilling careers - obviously some do (and you're more likely to if you actually go to work), but most of the jobs I've had have been absolute balls. Not fulfilling or empowering at all. I can only imagine how bleak it must be to be stuck somewhere like this if you had children at home, wishing you were with them... 😟Not the feminist dream.

Everyone should be supported in their choices. Perhaps we should be campaigning for better childcare options for working parents, alongside better rights for SAHP who have separated from their partners?

SandyY2K · 30/10/2022 22:54

Depends on what type of person you are and what type of work. I am someone who burns out quickly. I'm very introverted and don't like any sort of pressure. I tire of socialising quite quickly. I prefer a simple, slower pace of life. I'm not someone who likes to constantly be busy or always chasing achievements. Instead I prefer the freedom to live as I wish and to be my own person.

In which case being a housewife is perfect for you. It is something that fulfills you and falls within your aspirations.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:54

Autumndays123 · 30/10/2022 22:11

🤦🏻‍♀️ I don't know if you're messing with us or not. You said virtually ten minutes ago that you can't deal with any pressure at all, work would be too exhausting for you etc etc. So instead you take it easy, never intend to work and make sure you're well rested. You don't think that falls within the definition at all? Particularly the bit that, you know, says unwilling to work?

The OP does not have to bow to your demands that she describe herself as lazy.

Why do you even care anyone? It seems you reeeeeally want the OP to call herself lazy?

OP there is a school of thought in some people’s lives (and I see it loads on MN) that younger people shouldn’t have life better than they had it. The whole “I had to suffer why shouldn’t you”. I think that’s probably what’s at play here with the odd poster.

nonono1 · 30/10/2022 22:54

It’s amazing how defensive people get on this type of thread though. Anyone who is truly happy with their choice (whether SAHM or career woman) is probably not going to be posting on here!

IhateHermioneGranger · 30/10/2022 22:55

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:51

Men don't get asked if they're role models to young boys, or if their careers are helping men as a group, or if they represent all men. Men get to just live.

Sounds like you are living the good life to be fair.

OhMaria2 · 30/10/2022 22:55

No no, the options are lazy ambitionless never had a job SAHM, or high flying six figure salary rewarding career, nothing normal in between

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 22:55

SandyY2K · 30/10/2022 22:54

Depends on what type of person you are and what type of work. I am someone who burns out quickly. I'm very introverted and don't like any sort of pressure. I tire of socialising quite quickly. I prefer a simple, slower pace of life. I'm not someone who likes to constantly be busy or always chasing achievements. Instead I prefer the freedom to live as I wish and to be my own person.

In which case being a housewife is perfect for you. It is something that fulfills you and falls within your aspirations.

I would say so.

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:56

Refrosty · 30/10/2022 22:16

And yet they still call her mum?

….I’m confused…what else would they call her?!

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 22:57

grayhairdontcare · 30/10/2022 22:19

@AMorningstar work is paid employment not doing the pots

Work means many things, including but not exclusively ‘paid employment’.

zinfren · 30/10/2022 22:58

The fact you keep mentioning TV, when I don't even watch it, is again showing a lack of imagination on your part.

I think you protest too much 😉
My apologies I was certain you said you watched daytime TV.

Topgub · 30/10/2022 23:00

@nonono1

I'm truly happy with my choices.

I still find gender politics fascinating

@QS90

I have absolutely no interest in supporting everyone in their choices.

Why should I?

You do you hun, but if I think its a sack of shit, if you ask (as the op did) then I'll say so.

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