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To not understand the nastiness that being a housewife provokes

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AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 17:43

Not just on MN. I don't even use MN that often but I see this on other social media websites too. If a woman shares something positive about being a housewife it's full of comments about how "being controlled by a man, couldn't be me!" "No thanks, I love my independence" or "just wait until he leaves you, then what". If a woman shares something negative about it its "see, this is why being a housewife is TERRIBLE" (yet no one would say "this is why having a career is terrible!" If a person was complaining about their job)

I saw someone earlier say they'd be devastated if their daughter wanted to be a SAHM.

Why does it provoke such vitriol? Other women choosing this doesn't force anyone else to, I don't get the complete lack of respect for people's decisions and lack of understanding that different people enjoy different things.

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SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 21:44

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 30/10/2022 21:38

Many nursery workers have quite intense qualifications actually and know a great deal about all sorts of aspects of child rearing.

Nah, many are taken on with no qualifications, worked to shit and then they leave 6-12 months down the line.

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 30/10/2022 21:44

SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 21:37

Tbh I’d not consider a nursery worker a ‘respectable’ career

so it’s a bit of an odd example

nursery workers are low skilled and low paid.

So you would never utilise them for your own children, real or hypothetical?

Tandora · 30/10/2022 21:44

You started this thread about people making nasty comments about housewives/ SAHP, but you have made sooo many snide, backhanded , (absurdly) stereotyped and superior comments about working people (especially mums) 😨. So much for women not shitting on other women.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 21:44

ArcticSkewer · 30/10/2022 21:18

Sadly that is not how anyone I know who grew up with housewife mothers sees it! We mostly just see them as having been a bit pathetic. I don't know about these days. Don't they just think their mums are unemployed?

I suspect unless they have flash card jobs like doctor or teacher, most kids don’t know what their parents do. I also imagine literally no kids give a shit what their friends parents do either.

FlamencoDance · 30/10/2022 21:44

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 21:45

Herejustforthisone · 30/10/2022 21:18

Christ, you’re defensive OP.

She’s been called lazy, embarrassing, deluded and told her husband will leave her for another woman. I think it’s understandable she’s defensive.

Tandora · 30/10/2022 21:46

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Exactly this.

Lelophants · 30/10/2022 21:46

So basically we think women who want to be at home are worth nothing? So basically we are the patriarchy who treat women and ‘women’s work’ like shit? Interesting.

Imagine how low you would feel about yourself if you are a sahm right now. All those women who have SEN kids and can’t work, or have their own disabilities which make it difficult for them to work whilst looking after kids. Or those who have lost parents of their own and want to make every minute count with their own as they are still coping with the trauma. Or they can’t afford to work until the free childcare kicks in. Imagine how much more you are bartering their self esteem.

What about those whose husbands literally earns millions of which they are entitled to half. Their commute would be hours long they don’t even like their job, they’d never see their kids. But no their choice is worthless. What if they’d rather spend their time enjoying their life and giving back to the world in another way. Or they just want to live their ONE life like they want to. Because that’s their choice.

Stop treating other women like shit. We fought for our choice to do what WE want and not live by everyone else’s standards.

You do you OP.

SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 21:46

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 30/10/2022 21:44

So you would never utilise them for your own children, real or hypothetical?

Of course

doesn't stop it being a low skill and low paid role

Those are facts

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 21:46

SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 21:42

But many are

i think part of this boils down to you having very odd and out of date views on work

you've said before you wouldn’t like a ‘man shouting at you’

mentioned not being around to pick up your kids

I work full time, my boss (male or female) has never shouted at me, I’m here for every pick up and drop off, every school play, every sports day, I’m taking care of them for every sick day (well half as DH does half of them since we take it in turns)

Im not burnt out to the point where I can’t listen to their day either as another poster has mentioned.

I earn good money, as does DH, we are snr enough to be able to manage our own time and that includes managing around our kids.

I don’t know many working women who are so worn out by the time they get home they’re not an ‘active’ parent

Depends on what type of person you are and what type of work. I am someone who burns out quickly. I'm very introverted and don't like any sort of pressure. I tire of socialising quite quickly. I prefer a simple, slower pace of life. I'm not someone who likes to constantly be busy or always chasing achievements. Instead I prefer the freedom to live as I wish and to be my own person. I would get exhausted with what you describe. To each their own though.

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rainbowandglitter · 30/10/2022 21:47

SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 21:42

But many are

i think part of this boils down to you having very odd and out of date views on work

you've said before you wouldn’t like a ‘man shouting at you’

mentioned not being around to pick up your kids

I work full time, my boss (male or female) has never shouted at me, I’m here for every pick up and drop off, every school play, every sports day, I’m taking care of them for every sick day (well half as DH does half of them since we take it in turns)

Im not burnt out to the point where I can’t listen to their day either as another poster has mentioned.

I earn good money, as does DH, we are snr enough to be able to manage our own time and that includes managing around our kids.

I don’t know many working women who are so worn out by the time they get home they’re not an ‘active’ parent

Same here. I work in a professional senior role and am around for all school pick ups, plays, after school activities, etc. I've never had a boss shout at me.

Autumndays123 · 30/10/2022 21:47

So many holes in OPs story. How you've managed to both tell your DH you never intend to work again whilst simultaneously offering to work so he can drop a day is beyond me. Poor guy must not know if he's coming or going

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 21:47

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 21:45

She’s been called lazy, embarrassing, deluded and told her husband will leave her for another woman. I think it’s understandable she’s defensive.

Right?! I wasn't rude to anyone until people were rude to me. Amazing how people will throw shit and then act offended when someone retaliates.

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Lelophants · 30/10/2022 21:48

And I’m sorry but I know plenty of people who have affairs when their wives work full time. Working does not give you special value as a human. This is all very sexist and disablist.

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LooLooLemon · 30/10/2022 21:48

I think it’s the statement I hear of staying home “to run the house”.

What the hell do housewives think other people do? I work full time and still manage to “run my house” 😂

I hope neither of my DSs end up sponsoring a future spouse to stay home!!

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 21:48

Herejustforthisone · 30/10/2022 21:20

I went back to work when my child was a couple of months old. I adore my work. It gives me such fulfilment and earns me lots of lovely money.

Just because that isn’t for you, doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

You started this thread about people attacking SAHM, but you’re the one attacking working mothers. Why?

In fairness to OP she’s had a stream of hundreds of extremely rude posts levelled at her including name calling. Posts which are happy to perpetuate ridiculous stereotypes and worse case scenario situations about SAHMs. Is it hardly surprising she’s biting back and doing the same about working parents

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 21:49

Autumndays123 · 30/10/2022 21:47

So many holes in OPs story. How you've managed to both tell your DH you never intend to work again whilst simultaneously offering to work so he can drop a day is beyond me. Poor guy must not know if he's coming or going

He knows I don't want to and don't intend to. I've still offered it to him, particularly when his job has been very stressful, because I want to support him - that can include doing stuff I don't enjoy but would be willing to do to help him out. He however doesn't want me to and prefers it how it is

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SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 21:49

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 21:46

Depends on what type of person you are and what type of work. I am someone who burns out quickly. I'm very introverted and don't like any sort of pressure. I tire of socialising quite quickly. I prefer a simple, slower pace of life. I'm not someone who likes to constantly be busy or always chasing achievements. Instead I prefer the freedom to live as I wish and to be my own person. I would get exhausted with what you describe. To each their own though.

What’s exhausting about what I describe? You have no idea what I do for work.

I put in roughly 2-3 hours a day mostly emailing people.

hardly taxing!

Also have you ever worked?

Autumndays123 · 30/10/2022 21:49

AMorningstar · 30/10/2022 21:46

Depends on what type of person you are and what type of work. I am someone who burns out quickly. I'm very introverted and don't like any sort of pressure. I tire of socialising quite quickly. I prefer a simple, slower pace of life. I'm not someone who likes to constantly be busy or always chasing achievements. Instead I prefer the freedom to live as I wish and to be my own person. I would get exhausted with what you describe. To each their own though.

I think this is the crux of the matter OP. You want an easy life and you expect the men in your life (husband/dad) to finance you so you don't have to tire yourself out. You are a kept woman, with no work ethic and want a lazy life of being taken care of by others. Just own it instead of painting your situation up in other ways to make yourself look better.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 21:49

Eurydice84 · 30/10/2022 21:20

But it is not just for capitalistic purposes, it it? A doctor and a teacher work to save lives and teach the future generation.

Wow, two jobs 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Most jobs are there to slave away to make other people loads of money, I don’t always think that’s a necessarily noble life. That includes pretty much all the jobs I have done.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/10/2022 21:51

Herejustforthisone · 30/10/2022 21:24

Forgive me for not getting everything, you’ve posted 95 times….

It’s the OP’s thread. Is she supposed to post once and run away?

FlamencoDance · 30/10/2022 21:52

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GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 30/10/2022 21:53

Autumndays123 · 30/10/2022 21:49

I think this is the crux of the matter OP. You want an easy life and you expect the men in your life (husband/dad) to finance you so you don't have to tire yourself out. You are a kept woman, with no work ethic and want a lazy life of being taken care of by others. Just own it instead of painting your situation up in other ways to make yourself look better.

You know you have lost all credibility once you resort to the 🙄ad hominen fallacy, don't you, Autumn?

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