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To feel inconvenienced by DH wanting 'better quality' sex

646 replies

dhaex · 29/10/2022 11:19

NC here for obvious reasons, I have no one IRL I am comfortable asking this question.

DH recently has started to sometimes not get it up. He has started to say it's because I don't make an effort (admittedly I don't)

So I am asking if I'm your sex life you have standards? So for example he said he just wants a few basic things to make the sec better. He said he doesn't expect these every time but some of the times.

They are;

  • shaven pubic hair
  • a bit of makeup
  • hair not looking a mess
  • a wash beforehand

Are these things reasonable to expect of you before sex? To be honest I just cba to do these things in order to have sex but I also have to understand sex is based on attraction so I am being lazy to not want to do these things but equally we are TTC and to be frank it's wearing me out and I just cannot be bothered.

Please help do you except the above requirements to have sex?

Please don't come on saying what a twat my husband sounds I'm not here to roast him I'm genuinely wanting to know if people make an effort for sex and if so is the above ask fair

Thank you

OP posts:
MayFlower22 · 29/10/2022 14:02

Everything except numbs one is reasonable , not washing is a bit grim.

user55875537986543 · 29/10/2022 14:06

@MayFlower22 oh rtft. The OP does wash.

fatgirlslimmer · 29/10/2022 14:07

BedisBliss · 29/10/2022 13:53

I'm just at page 2 but as soon as I read the first post I thought - it's a porn problem. This is an issue schools need to address as part of sex education - the whole porn normalising 'performance sex' and setting male expectations of sex and women to ridiculous standards....and the fact that excessive use and wanking does lead to a dependence on Viagra and performance issues. Sorry if I am derailing the thread but I don't think men realise or are taught the can of worms that 'porn' can open. (And I am not a prude, if anyone is wondering!)

Totally agree I am horrified at some of the things young girls are doing because they think it's the norm or it is expected of them. Some boys too, but overwhelmingly girls in my area of work.

WanOvaryKenobi · 29/10/2022 14:08

Absolutely nothing wrong with you both making an effort for each other.

jtaeapa · 29/10/2022 14:09

He is obviously a porn hound

shaven pubic hair - no need, who cares anyway

a bit of makeup - so you look like a sex doll? Weird and unnecessary.

hair not looking a mess - unless you have been cutting bushes and have twigs in it, then this is quite odd. Normal hair -fine.

a wash beforehand - if you’ve showered recently and aren’t really dirty then this is unnecessary. Certainly unnecessary upon waking if you’ve showered the previous evening.

He can’t get it up because he’s a mega porn hound. It’s nothing to do with you. If you don’t have kids, I’d ditch this (quite literal) tosser.

EveningOverRooftops · 29/10/2022 14:14

Op I am not going to advise on your relationship because clearly you know what he’s asking is unreasonable and it’s very prescriptive and about getting him off but very little about getting you off.

the porn use will get worse and his ED related to porn will only get worse. He’s got to want to fix that himself and it doesn’t look like he’ll see it as a problem because you can make yourself look like a porn star.

I do think you need to go and see a therapist of some kind through.

you need some unbiased regular support to get yourself in a place of acceptance that you might remain childless, might be better off single, might be a million miles away from where you hoped to be.

your own frame of mind is the only thing you really have any control over. That and leaving him if he refuses to help himself.

you need to talk these things through with guidance of a therapist.

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/10/2022 14:16

Haus1234 · 29/10/2022 11:22

A wash is reasonable, the rest is not IMO.

This

Especially if cunnilingus is involved

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/10/2022 14:18

Oh - sorry. I should have RTFT

Apologies

SapphireSeptember · 29/10/2022 14:19

To be honest if a bloke said I had to put on make up before sex I would, but not in the way he'd be thinking. I'd do green lipstick, bright blue eyeshadow, heavy Ancient Egyptian style eyeliner and glittery iridescent highlighter. (I have a fearful and wonderful collection of make up.) But I don't wear make up all the time.

Shaving is a no go, I shower everyday, and my hair is in one of four configurations. Loose, ponytail, plait or a bun, sometimes it looks messy but I don't use products that keep it in place.

Snoozer11 · 29/10/2022 14:21

A wash is essential!

WrongWayApricot · 29/10/2022 14:23

You say you wash twice a day already so wanting more passion while requesting your partner goes for a wash before having sex is ironic to say the least. Unless it's always oral I can't understand it. I'd find it a turn off if my partner ran off for a wash in the morning and spoiled the mood, can't imagine requesting it.

AutumnsCrow · 29/10/2022 14:31

Millsbills · 29/10/2022 13:32

Wonder if you ask men the same

since nearly half of women watch porn too

What, 50% of biological females aged 18 to (say) 102 from all social classes, races & ethnic backgrounds on this planet watch pornography?

That must have been quite the survey.

Millsbills · 29/10/2022 14:31

SapphireSeptember · 29/10/2022 14:19

To be honest if a bloke said I had to put on make up before sex I would, but not in the way he'd be thinking. I'd do green lipstick, bright blue eyeshadow, heavy Ancient Egyptian style eyeliner and glittery iridescent highlighter. (I have a fearful and wonderful collection of make up.) But I don't wear make up all the time.

Shaving is a no go, I shower everyday, and my hair is in one of four configurations. Loose, ponytail, plait or a bun, sometimes it looks messy but I don't use products that keep it in place.

The OPs husband hasn’t said she has to do anything

he has merely said that he thinks it would help with his sexual desire and therefore a positive impact on TTC.

Many women refuse to give oral if their partner hasn’t trimmed or not find their partners attractive sexually if they’ve grown their beard out, this is no different

WrongWayApricot · 29/10/2022 14:33

Badgirlriri · 29/10/2022 13:22

How many women come on here and say they don’t fancy their husbands or want to have sex with them because of poor personal hygiene and appearance?!

Everyone ALWAYS responds… LTB.

so hypocritical!

Yeah, usually it's complaining of knob cheese and going weeks between brushing teeth or showering ffs. Not wishing their husbands would put on makeup and style their hair, not even genital washing before spontaneous sex.

sentientpuddle · 29/10/2022 14:33

How on earth did the human race make it this far without shaven pubic hair, a bit of makeup & hair not looking a mess?

As for a wash beforehand, I didn't realise this was a thing. I'd be happy with brushed teeth but doesn't washing beforehand sort of take the heat out of the moment? What about raw & sweaty? Washing first seems very clinical.
I remember an old boyfriend telling me a former girlfriend insisted on a shower before sex. I wondered if there was any spontaneity and heat in their sanitized sex life.

I had a relationship where I stopped making an effort though, because he no longer turned me on, yet he still expected me to 'make an effort' for him.

sentientpuddle · 29/10/2022 14:34

Oh, I would definitely have a pee first though. No thanks UTIs.

katepilar · 29/10/2022 14:36

frazzledasarock · 29/10/2022 11:25

Don’t you both wash and put a brush through your hair before bed anyway?

The first two he can also do it if he wants you to.

but it does sound like you can’t be asked.

I’d not have sex with anyone who didn’t want to be clean to begin with.

I wonder how many people brush their hair before bed and why?

user55875537986543 · 29/10/2022 14:39

@katepilar Gwendoline Mary Lacey brushed her hair before bed. I’m yet to meet anyone else that does!

Pixiedust1234 · 29/10/2022 14:40

I'm sorry op but his ED is linked to porn and his perception of women in it. You cannot control how much he watches it, the same as you cannot control alcohol intake with an alcoholic. It has to originate from him. You can only control your own responses.

I know that medical things change over the years but I thought that sperm for conceiving needs to be "strong", ie too much sex weakens the amount and motility. So if you are having TTC sex, not TTC sex and porn mastebation then his fertility is going to be nonexistent.

Its time to re evaluate your whole relationship. If you think its only stress due to TTC then perhaps its time to only have sex when you are most fertile and both do datenight preparations. If there are more uneasy undercurrents then go for counselling yourself to discover why ((or do a different thread in relationships).

FaazoHuyzeoSix · 29/10/2022 14:42

A wash - yes absolutely, basic respect for each other (I hope he is washing too, that's even more important given the mechanics of what goes where)

Pulling a hairbrush through your hair - if you feel like it, but the tousled look can be sexy too.

But shaving and makeup is not reasonable to require. You don't need to pretend to be different than you are in order to be attractive. Your hair grows where it grows and it's part of you. Your face is your face and doesn't need painting a different face on top.

PlinkPlonkFizz · 29/10/2022 14:48

He has ED from too much porn. This is likely to get worse when you are pregnant and after the baby arrives, unless he changes. He'll get so reliant on it he will disconnect sexually from you and you him, and it can be extremely difficult to rescue things then. I hope you can resolve things and maybe get him to ease up on porn before the psychological damage is done to your connection. X

fruktsoda · 29/10/2022 14:52

Won't ever consider therapy (no matter what), won't give up porn, won't try to lose weight, blames his sexual dysfunction on you (when it could be linked to his age, health, and porn consumption), and expects you to shave for him and doll yourself up every time you have sex... He's not sounding very good, OP. No, none of this is normal or acceptable, imo.

Miajk · 29/10/2022 14:52

dhaex · 29/10/2022 12:27

I have no does what to suggest this thread has made me more confused.

The porn thing keeps coming up - he will NEVER stop watching it

Has anyone successfully made their DH stop watching it? If so I'd love to hear how some advice

Why do you want to have a child with an immature, misogynystic man?

Does he style his hair and shave his pubic hair? Or is it just a double standard for you?

Please think of your future children and pick a good father for them, that's your responsibility, kids can't pick their parents. Don't be selfish.

J0CASTA · 29/10/2022 14:54

Crackof · 29/10/2022 11:42

Correct. He has an issue and he's projecting it on you.
Anyone who showers daily is clean, and vaginas are also self cleaning. I need to know what your baseline cleanness is to understand what he's asking for.
If you really love him then this needs sorting out quickly and kindly with a view to long term healthy relating.
If you don't, it's time to bail. And do not have a baby with him.

Also... better quality sex is more loving and liberated and creative. It's not more fussy and rule based and based on shitty unreasonable unfair beauty standards.

There's some worrying self hate on here too. Don't be one of these women who hates their own body.

This.

Stop TTc and go for counselling.

katepilar · 29/10/2022 14:59

dhaex · 29/10/2022 11:49

Also can I add my legs get shaved most days but my pubic hair I just cba with i don't see what growing it is an issue but he says it's a minor thing why can't I just do it??

This is why I'm on this thread I'm really confused as to what's normal/not normal because I don't discuss this with anyone else

I guess whether its a big thing or a small thing with the shaving will depend on an individual person but wouldnt be surprised if it was a bigger thing for women in general due to our physiology. Also shaving on demand is a different thing to shaving because you just want to, isnt it.

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