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Are you 'fatphobic'

167 replies

lawofmotion · 29/10/2022 09:40

According to this definition it seems I am.

Aibu to think that actually that's completely reasonable?

Teen Vogue writer Catherine Mhloyi said: "In having the word 'fat' appear on the scale, she made a choice to explicitly name her demon, the fear of being called fat, which is fatphobia in its most literal sense."

news.sky.com/story/taylor-swift-video-for-anti-hero-edited-to-remove-the-word-fat-12731618

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AllThingsServeTheBeam · 29/10/2022 09:48

So if you don't want to be called fat, you're fatphobic? Is that right?

Applesandcarrots · 29/10/2022 09:52

Bot shitty from them to go after someone talking about their own ED.

Keyansier · 29/10/2022 09:55

I wouldn't class myself as fatphobic but I wouldn't, for example, ever sleep with a fat guy. I just personally find it incredibly unattractive.

MichelleScarn · 29/10/2022 09:56

I agree with Whoopi Goldberg who said she (Taylor) is allowed to have her own feelings. Don't agree with the people complaining who from an article I saw have said that is fatphobic because its apparently the worst thing that can happen to someone to be told other people don't want to be called fat?! (If have read right, currently tad delirious with hyperemesis!)

Topgub · 29/10/2022 09:57

No.

I dont think its reasonable to fear being called fat.

Especially if you're not actually fat

KangarooKenny · 29/10/2022 09:58

I would have thought fatphobic was being scared of fat people. I must admit that my waistline scares me.

FuckabethFuckor · 29/10/2022 09:59

I think swiftly (!) editing music videos is a PR thing now. A few artists have done it recently; it gets massive news coverage and boosts streams/sales/downloads.

oopsfellover · 29/10/2022 10:00

No. I don’t like the word though, and wouldn’t use it to describe myself (even though I am!) - it’s too associated with insult.

HangingOver · 29/10/2022 10:00

Fear of being called fat or fear of getting fat? I suppose by either of those definitions I am also fatphobic!

Smilelesstalkmore · 29/10/2022 10:01

'Fatphobia' is being prejudiced about someone who is overweight, and making judgements about who they are as a person, solely based on their weight. That's it.

I don't want to be fat, because I don't think I would look nice and also I would hate to not be able to move my body in the way I want to, or have health problems attached to it. If that makes me 'fat phobic' in some people's eyes, then quite frankly I don't give a fuck.

Unbridezilla · 29/10/2022 10:02

She has spent a large part of her formative years in an environment where "fat" has been used as a hurtful slur, or course she fears it!

I am a similar age, although not in anyway famous and probably also fear being called fat on a subconscious level. I am also aware that I hold myself to much stricter standards wrt weight than I do anyone else

donttellmehesalive · 29/10/2022 10:02

I have been fat and thin at different times, people definitely, definitely treat you differently. Thinking less of someone because of one aspect of their appearance, thinking that you can make judgments about a person's entire character, is what I think of as fatphobic.

SuperCamp · 29/10/2022 10:04

Surely the video is about pressure and skewed perceptions, put on women and also from within (as in an ED).

Putting ‘phobic’ on the end of every other word does not make it a real phenomenon.

MyLovelyPen · 29/10/2022 10:04

I think the criticism is aimed at those slim women (and we all know at least one) who constantly wangs on about how fat they are in front of their fat friends (I’m the fat friend). Does my fucking head in. Choose your audience (you have plenty of slim friends) and don’t be an insensitive prick.

Smilelesstalkmore · 29/10/2022 10:09

There is so much pressure on young people (especially girls) now.

Their 'role models' are either women with impossible bodies which are filtered to the point they are not real, with tiny waists and huge boobs and perfect skin, who drink slimming tea and put 'scent sticks' up their nose to surpress their appetitie. Or women who are incredibly overweight and who tell you that you can still be healthy when you are morbidly obese and that you should eat what you want whenever you want.

And on top of worrying about their own body image, they also have to mindful of absolutely everything they actually say about their own body, in case someone judges them to be 'fatphobic', which would be, like the worst, most unkind thing everrrrrrrrrrr.

Smilelesstalkmore · 29/10/2022 10:10

Putting ‘phobic’ on the end of every other word does not make it a real phenomenon.

Everything is phobic now.

I saw someone on Twitter the other day use the word 'phallophobic', without irony.

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/10/2022 10:11

Towards other people, no. Don’t like being fat myself though, just feel better being lighter for lots of reasons.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 29/10/2022 10:11

My teen has been telling me about 'body positive' tiktokkers who apparently say it is fatphobic, and therefore bigoted and bad, to diet, eat healthily in order to reach or maintain a healthy weight - even if you are not prejudiced against fat people and never talk about your own diet just doing it for yourself is 'phobic' Confused
Luckily - he thinks that is a ridiculous attitude.

RealBecca · 29/10/2022 10:13

I hate that she removed the word "fat".

That everyone is supposed to just pretend to be body positive. Its toxic positivity.

We are all supposed to pretend noone cares what they weigh when every product is marketed at body image, whether that's weight loss, slimming, celebrating your curves...its exhausting.

She cant even talk about her own body or self because others are taking offence.

Nothing she put on that scale would have been acceptable. Theres an entire industry and society built around body image and it offends people to acknowledge that it exists.

We arent allowed to talk about our own bodies anymore.

Applesandcarrots · 29/10/2022 10:15

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 29/10/2022 10:11

My teen has been telling me about 'body positive' tiktokkers who apparently say it is fatphobic, and therefore bigoted and bad, to diet, eat healthily in order to reach or maintain a healthy weight - even if you are not prejudiced against fat people and never talk about your own diet just doing it for yourself is 'phobic' Confused
Luckily - he thinks that is a ridiculous attitude.

Yeah.

Remember Adele and others getting some blast back for betrayel and making it look like being fat isn't ok.
Totally ignoring the fact it may have been for helath reasons.

Swift talked about her ED. She got in hot water because her ED is not acceptable now...

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RealBecca · 29/10/2022 10:16

So she isnt allowed to feel fat and noone is allowed to say fat without being phobic. So we are supposed to live in a world where we dont notice obesity and instead just celebrate curves? Whilst propping up the diet industry. Right.

NeverTalksToStrangers · 29/10/2022 10:16

Taylor has admitted having an eating disorder (she didn't use the word anorexia but basically said she starved herself (she was very very thin circa 2015)), that's what the video is about, how she negatively views herself.

VERY few of us feel good about putting on weight, we feel good if we lose it though. If she's fat phobic, then 95% of the population are.

RealBecca · 29/10/2022 10:18

MyLovelyPen · 29/10/2022 10:04

I think the criticism is aimed at those slim women (and we all know at least one) who constantly wangs on about how fat they are in front of their fat friends (I’m the fat friend). Does my fucking head in. Choose your audience (you have plenty of slim friends) and don’t be an insensitive prick.

Why cant I talk about wanting to lose a few pounds at size 12 without it upsetting you? Me losing or gaining weight makes no difference to you. Why does how I feel about my body need to be censored? Is there anything else I shouldn't talk about? Food generally?

Chattycathydoll · 29/10/2022 10:20

Regardless of the debate, you know that image of the scale with the word ‘fat’ on it is going to be used over and over on pro-ana websites now. That’s more likely why it had to be removed, albeit too late.

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