Are you 'fatphobic'

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According to this definition it seems I am.

Aibu to think that actually that's completely reasonable?

Teen Vogue writer Catherine Mhloyi said: "In having the word 'fat' appear on the scale, she made a choice to explicitly name her demon, the fear of being called fat, which is fatphobia in its most literal sense."

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They're probably reacting to gaining weight which, if left, will lead to obesity.

Plus everyone wants to look good.

Looking good = looking healthy biologically.

No, I was treated better after I lost weight. People who had completely blanked me previously suddenly wanted to talk to me. It was quite unsettling tbh. I also noticed I was treated differently whilst shopping for example. Where before I would have been ignored, people would hold doors open for me and ask if I wanted any help in shops. Totally different to when I was overweight.

In your opinion.

Good is subjective. And even then, not everyone cares.

@fruktsoda

I'm overweight. I face no discomfort or health issues, currently.

In your opinion.

Good is subjective. And even then, not everyone cares.

@fruktsoda

I'm overweight. I face no discomfort or health issues, currently.

It's not subjective. It's millennia of selection.

Plus 'currently' says it all

I also think it's a lot easier to talk about being 'healthy at any size' when you are in your twenties, and still very young, your hormones are still in check and you can perhaps do most things.

Twenty years down the line when you have possibly had kids, your hormones are going to shit, and you have had twenty more years of wear and tear on your body, but you are still only in your forties, you might not be feeling as sprightly. I am in the overweight category, in my early forties and I feel like the last couple of years have been a wakeup call for me - I still potentially have another 40 years of life left to enjoy on this earth and I want to be able to make the most of it.

I'm not aiming this at overweight or obese people in general. If it was easy to be slim, everyone would be slim. It's really fucking hard. But I think that 'body positive' influencers tell their followers that everything is fatphobic and that any kind of restriction of eating or scheduled excercise is damaging to mental health, have a lot to answer for.

They're probably reacting to gaining weight which, if left, will lead to obesity.

err ok

Plus everyone wants to look good.

Do they? most people look distinctly average if not terrible in the real world, particularly men!

Looking good = looking healthy biologically.

Looking healthy biologically is body shape but also skin, hair, teeth, height.

It's the majority opinion in the western world, not just the OP's.

Like it or hate it, most people who are considered attractive (whether male or female) on TV, in the movies, in the music industry and also just in real life tend not to be fat.

Whether it's right or wrong is another matter but pretending you don't know that is unhelpful.

I think I have a different take as I used to model (was shit) & was around so much drug use & disordered eating & exercise that I don't see skinny as necessarily healthy.

Like it or hate it, most people who are considered attractive (whether male or female) on TV, in the movies, in the music industry and also just in real life tend not to be fat.

How many celebs have you seen in real life? They are honestly tiny in general. Someone a normal healthy size in real life will look fat on film.

As I said, they tend not to look fat.

@VyeBrator

Where did I pretend not to know something?

There's a difference between being aware of beauty standards and thinking only those who are thin can look good.

Loads of overweight and fat people look good

No you said tend not to be fat.

Most fat people stay fat and they deserve to have a fulfilling life just as much as anyone else. Being fat might produce some difficulties (health, mobility, fitting in seats etc) but way more are caused by people having judgmental and sneering attitudes.

For me, fatphobia is about trying to put fat people in a box that says being fat is a moral failing and you should be forever ashamed of yourself. Everyone has shortcomings, obesity is just more visible. It has complex causes and if it was as simple as deciding to eat less, it wouldn't be such a problem.

If you're a size 12 and you sit around in front of a fatter woman saying you have to lose some weight or you'll be disgusting, then yes you are being rude and fatphobic.

I think, when someone feels the need to share their size on here or pretend that they're concerned about the negative effects on a person's health, that they are (consciously or subconsciously) saying 'I'm better because I'm not fat.' I think there is a lot of 'fatphobia' on mn.

I agree with this. I suspect most thin people are very pleased with being thin and really quite judgemental about those who are not.

I don’t have any problem with the former - it’s hard work staying thin esp
after a certain age - but the latter is pure ugliness. Borne from the notion that everyone is equally able to stay thin if they tried therefore those who are not have brought it on themselves.

So much of the stuff on the this thread doesn’t stand up to even the smallest scrutiny.

Every fat person knows they are fat and they are told it daily. If you think you pointing out to a fat person that they are fat is the support they need to get thin you are off your rocker.

Short of bariatric surgery the only support offered by the NHS for people to lose weight is calorie controlled diets. As reported in the BMJ extensive meta-analyses show that these do not work in the long term. 96% of people are back at their old weight or higher after a year. Is there any other condition where a treatment is 96% unsuccessful and yet is the only thing on offer?

It seems that people think it is ok to judge fat people because surely it’s laziness or gluttony that makes them fat? All you need to do is eat less and move more right?

Every fat person you know (certainly every fat woman you know) has been on a series of calorie controlled diets & exercise kicks since they first realised they were fat, which was probably in their early teens when they went through puberty. Probably all that has happened is that they have got steadily fatter.

Body acceptance is not glorifying fat it’s just saying that maybe being told that your body is disgusting and it is your fault because you are lazy and greedy, (despite the fact that you have been starving yourself & doing C25K twice a year for 20 years) is not helpful for either your mental or physical health and in no way likely to support weight loss.

Because other factors affect obesity like the way our food is now made and sold. Like many of us don’t have safe ways to walk or cycle so we drive. Like many people don’t have access to cheap fresh food. Social factors are huge in all health issues and particularly obesity.

So it’s not healthy to be fat, but the simplistic attitudes in society that think there is an easy answer to obesity for either an individual or for a society are regularly disproved by actual science. So maybe the ‘woke’ body positivity movement are just trying to think about the issue in a different way rather than continuing the same behaviour & expecting different outcomes. Which is the definition of insanity.

@Seveninfour

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Social factors are huge in all health issues and particularly obesity.

Agree with this