Just Stop Oil's daily protests

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Is anyone else concerned about where these daily protests will lead us?

The public are clearly getting more and more irritated by their antics. It's only a matter of time before one of the protestors are seriously injured.

I'm also worried that the government will ban certain types of protest as a result?

lol what you lot want to do is pretty fucking far from improve. You demonstrably want to
lower our living standards and want us to
use inferior forms of energy.

Improve indeed …

I love the way people mention the suffragettes as if that's some sort of clincher that ends the argument. The activities of the suffragettes turned off a lot of people who might otherwise have been supportive, and Davison achieved the square root of sod all except a very painful death and a spectacular funeral.

If they were actually superior forms of energy generation, we’d be using them. It’s not a conspiracy by BiG OiL it’s that the fossil fuels are not really replaceable

Yes, at the time people had those views, but how many people have a negative view of the suffragettes now? Most people think they were incredibly brave, and the cause was one worth dying for. I think the same will one day be said about climate activists.

Imagine if lorries stop trucks deliveries to places within the M25 because of their drivers getting stuck and paying the overtime for them.
Haulage companies will either refuse to go there or pass the losses of earnings to the customers.

Guess what?.. As a truck driver I guarantee you all that you’re all paying more now as a direct result of these types of delays.

Loss of earnings, missed deliveries, paying the stranded hgv drivers.

They do my head in.
That's it.

Can companies take out private prosecutions against the protesters for loss of earnings? Serious question.

Turns out the reason industrial civilisation came about was because of a practically free mega boost of energy courtesy of the sun millions of years in the making. Humans were 100% renewable energy for way longer.

What, pray tell, do you suppose we use to continue endless economic growth or even to keep us at the same levels today without fossil fuels? Give me your roadmap.

Humans were 100% renewable energy for way longer

Yeah, and having a child die within the first few years of life was a nearly universal experience. The common man lived miserably, worse than people in developing countries today.

What, pray tell, do you suppose we use to continue endless economic growth

We have plenty of fossil fuels, no one talks about peak oil anymore.

Its like you don’t even care about poverty in the developing world. East Asia industrialised, and the standard of living shot up, child mortality went down, life expectancy went up. China lifted more people out of poverty than any regime in history.

The developing world needs more fossil fuels, not less.

If Europe wants to impoverish itself with unreliable energy, fine. I guess it’s your choice to experience cold, death and hunger like humans did when they were 100% renewable energy 🙄

@BerriesOnTop

Yeah, and having a child die within the first few years of life was a nearly universal experience. The common man lived miserably, worse than people in developing countries today.

Civilisation has generally been a bad idea. I agree.

We have plenty of fossil fuels, no one talks about peak oil anymore.

Uh, what. We still haven’t broken November 2018’s production peak. OPEC+ is reducing output as Saudi is unable to keep pumping at present rates. Most of OPEC+ is nosediving, and Russia is certainly up shit creek. The US is running out of decent plays in the Permian and other shale fields, and even if they had them, they have manpower and supply issues and CAPEX restrictions.

Where are you getting your information from?

The world is short natural gas. China is unable to get enough coal to run its economy, a state it’s been in since 2021.

And all this is predicated on you ignoring that there’s this thing called climate change, so having access to (relatively) cheap fossil energy is negated by, oh, the biosphere collapsing.

You seem unable to actually grasp that I’m not promoting a view because, lol, let’s all freeze and starve. And telling you that one option leads to destroying the planet, and the other option leads to just ending modern civilisation.

What’s your choice? Guessing the former. Sure your kids will thank you in the water wars.

and the other option leads to just ending modern civilisation

I do like the use of the word 'just' in that sentence. As if increased life spans, massively decreased child mortality, massively increased personal wealth, increased health, education and human rights (to name a few) are us being spoiled brats and we ought to be happy to revert to a pre-industrial existence and give it all up.

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"I will never, ever forgive these people." bbc.in/3EgSD1J
Tony missed his father's funeral in Pitsea - where he was due to be a pallbearer - because of protestors on the M25 on Monday.
Full story on BBC Sounds, click the link above.

It will just take one driver who’s having a bad day to mow them down and TBH I’d have no sympathy for them.

I think the same will one day be said about climate activists

I think climate activists will be one paragraph, if that. Especially if they and their juvenile antics kick off a backlash.

Imagine thinking that you have a choice

Imagine thinking that you have a choice

As far as I'm concerned I do and I'll take what I've got, thanks. I know how some of my ancesters lived and my desire to go back to that is precisely zero.

If you listed to what happened to Tony he explains that an ambulance with its blue lights on was caught up in the same jam

It all started to go wrong when we came down from the trees.

Are the facts abolutely verified about cause of accident, because it could of been various reasons, lorries are dangerous too

My dad is very ill. I live 120 miles away and need to use the M25 to get to my DPs home, these pricks hanging off gantries could potentially stop me reaching my parents when I'm needed. I'm just one person of many being affected by this. I care about the problems we are facing but JSO don't have my support what they are doing is alienating people.

There's a bit saying that James Whale was stuck in the jam and missed his cancer treatment appointment.

For many it's more than a little inconvenience.

@Liebig

You are conflating two things. One is the investment to extract fossil fuels. No one is running out of oil, natural gas or coal (or uranium for that matter). But extraction and processing needs a level of investment that hasn’t come through because of political reasons (and the big funds horrendous ESG strategies). Big oil just came through several difficult years due to the lack of demand during Covid (and the price war between Saudi and Russia). And China has the coal, but again there was a crunch for political reasons, not for supply reasons.

Now that Big Oil has record profits that should be plowed back into extraction and refinement—and would be, if not for politicians wanting to place windfall taxes that are not going to get to the people who need money to heat their homes or turn on the lights.

I cannot believe you do not value modern civilisation—without it hundreds of millions of people could die due to lack of food and heating, even more would die because they can no longer protect themselves from climate-related disasters.

People like you need to be placed very very far from the levers of power. Or maybe you can just destroy Europe … as a cautionary tale.

@Dave20 With the amount of drivers getting infringements and having to unexpectedly night out due to these stunts, I wouldn't blame them.

Hears what the haulage industry should be saying;

Dear Mayor of London/Departmen of Transport,

With immediate effect, we shall not be delivering goods to anywhere within the M25, as we cannot guarantee that our drivers won’t get stuck there.

We cannot afford the huge financial losses , including overtime and over night stays due to drivers going over hours.

We are also concerned for the welfare of our drivers, including comfort breaks, meal breaks and our unions have raised this concern as a matter of urgency.
However we will re-consider this if you can guarantee to reimburse us for any losses due to ‘Just stop oil’

Regards,

Haulage industry.

I've often thought that if we all refused to buy petrol on an agreed date each week then the collective voice of the masses might put the frighteners on the oil companies and make them listen.
Why can't JSO and extinction rebellion organise that instead of trying to get run over all the time.