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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
OnTheBoardwalk · 25/10/2022 20:39

@Leobynature is OP really expected to pay for her sisters family as if they were their own for a year?

Unseelie · 25/10/2022 20:39

Your sister is jealous of you and ashamed of her ability to house her family and it’s turning her into an arse, unfortunately.

If the parents don’t want their daughter in the living room, then they should take her into their room, or swap if she doesn’t fit. The curtain was a great suggestion

How long are they gonna be there? People wait for council housing for a decade sometimes, are you sure they’ll go somewhere soonish?

Re meal you are reasonable and sister is a jealous dick for bringing it up. What next? You all go camp in the garden to make her feel comfortable?!

JaffavsCookie · 25/10/2022 20:39

Stick to your guns OP, i think a few posters have only read the first post, and missed that your wife has died. Your poor dc, and you, have already been through so much, please don’t make your introverted dd lose her safe space, or their special weekly treats with you.
i would also be worried that this is going to drag on and on, and maybe you do need to talk to your sister, agree it is isn’t working for them and give them a 6-8 week deadline.
( and definitely if you go away for Christmas lock your dd’s bedroom door)

cravattwat · 25/10/2022 20:39

I got confused about bedrooms in my post, and thought the 5 y/o had a room.

I still think the parents could give up their room. Would their daughter share her space with the 5 y/o knowing he is likely to carry on sharing with his parents?

HoarderOfGlasses · 25/10/2022 20:39

Leobynature · 25/10/2022 20:35

I think it’s more appropriate for the teenage girls to share a room as a 13 year old female needs privacy. I will just ensure some grounds rules. I also thinking eating out once per week is a really shitty thing to do. The children, especially the 10year old and 5 year old should not experience such inequalities and I would see it as an opportunity to humble my children. Furthermore I could never do this to my nephews,
either I take all children out or treat them all to a takeaway or no one gets one.

I also believe it’s a noble thing to offer your home to your sister.

Eating out is the one time OP gets to spend time with both the kids. It's one thing if you cannot afford to eat out with your own children, it's another thing to prioritise your guests over them (yes, it is prioritising your guests to take away something your own kids have always looked forward to just because you have guests).

Delphinium20 · 25/10/2022 20:39

Why can't the 5 yr old then sleep w/ the two older boys? I really think OP and SIL/BIL need to respect his niece's need for privacy. Her sleeping in a lounge is just not okay. The two teen girls are the last people in the house who should sacrifice privacy at this point, yet somehow everyone thinks they should sacrifice the most (get them started early on learning how to be the support humans!). Not fair for DD or for niece.

HollyPupp · 25/10/2022 20:41

Your sister needs to wind her neck in.

Id be asking her to leave a lot sooner then a year also!

GroggyLegs · 25/10/2022 20:41

This is the arrangement your DSis agreed to.
After 4 months, it's obviously no longer working for her.

You've been incredibly generous. You've given up more than half your home, your privacy, your routine and your peace to accommodate them.

The weight is not on YOU to bend around her new desires.
The weight is on her to decide whether it's still viable or find different accomodation.

dlizi4 · 25/10/2022 20:41

CarefreeMe · 25/10/2022 20:27

Can I ask why they are living with you?

Surely if their old home was put up for sale and they were evicted then the council should have found them temporary accommodation - why did this not happen?

They now have a home and they will be right at the bottom of the list for housing.

It could literally take years for them to find a home.
What are you going to do once the 12 months is up?

They need to speak to the council and say you are kicking them out - they will then be put up the top of the list again.
It is not fair on your DCs or their DCs to be in this situation.

This!!! All day long. Having been homeless this is correct!
Unless you do something ASAP, you will have to live like this long term
Did you or DH decide this? I'd be running if I could afford to or turfing them out
Your own wee family may never get over this
Did I pick it up wrong "A YEAR"???? 😱
Grounds for divorce IMO

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 25/10/2022 20:41

I hadn't read the whole thread and didn't realise the OP had lost his/her wife.

I still think going out for food when others can't afford it is a bit mean.

I also think the set-up described absolutely can't be sustained for a full year.

MrsArrDee · 25/10/2022 20:42

mathanxiety · 25/10/2022 20:19

You should investigate whether the fact that they have housing has affected their status on the housing waiting list. I strongly suspect it has, and if that's the case, they won't make progress up the list until their housing situation is more precarious.

I would not leave at Christmas if I were you, tempting though it might seem. You will find the niece installed in your daughter's room when you come back.

I agree with posters saying the S and her H should be sleeping in the sitting room. It will motivate them to find somewhere else. If they are saving on rent or mortgage money maybe they can find a private rental and pay the deposit.

Are your sister and BIL employed?

I had a very similar thought re your daughters room, it's her space and if I was her I'd be anxious about a violation of privacy (probably a bit strongly phrased, but hopefully you get my drift)

Could your DSIS & BIL go and stay with other relatives at Christmas?

Some space away from each other might make the rest of their stay a little easier.

HoarderOfGlasses · 25/10/2022 20:43

SoupDragon · 25/10/2022 20:37

did you miss the 5 year old who would then be sleeping in an open plan living room?

A 5 year old does not need privacy. OP and his/her family have already done more than enough by accommodating FIVE additional people in their house for a year. Neither should have to make any more sacrifices to accommodate their guests IMO. In fact, if OP weren't so generous temporary housing might have been even worse wrt privacy!

Littlemisspawpatrol · 25/10/2022 20:43

If your sister has no bills or rent and you're sharing food costs, then surely her outgoings aren't too high and she could afford to chip in for a takeaway once a fortnight? Or perhaps you could all go to ASDA cafe once a week where it is kids for a quid until Christmas? You can still have your meal out with your kids. Meanwhile your sister needs to make the Friday nights exciting for her kids in any way she can afford to, maybe a fake away or fajita kit whilst you are all out.

As to your niece, I think it is a bit unfair if she is really struggling in the living room. It's not her fault she is in the situation she is in.

How did they end up homeless? Did they decide to have a third child knowing they were financially struggling? I'm not judging, I'm just trying to see the world through your niece's eyes who didn't ask for the unfairness.

Could you not put a campbed in your room for her? I agree that her parents should be the priority go in the living room but do you really want two adults and a baby taking up your living room?

OverCCCs · 25/10/2022 20:43

badassbaby · 25/10/2022 20:11

Safeguarding?!
From who??

The two prepubescent/pubescent boys in the house, for a start. The OP, if OP is a man (unclear). Maybe even her dad. Shit happens in families, unfortunately, and the middle of an open floor living area isn’t an appropriate place for a teenage girl to be sleeping alone for months on end.

To be clear, I’m not accusing OP or any of the relatives of actually being up to no good while the niece is sleeping, but just as a best practice she should be in a bedroom or her mom should sleep down there with her.

Littlemisspawpatrol · 25/10/2022 20:44

Oh sorry I misread five year old as five month old.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 25/10/2022 20:44

They need to go. Council?

EconomyClassRockstar · 25/10/2022 20:44

I would get your daughter to share and hope that it encourages the cousins to become closer once they get over themselves.
I wouldn't stop doing the dinner out once a week though. That's not about flashing your cash, it's about having time one on one with your own kids and having room to chat and make sure they're doing ok in the chaos.

Justalitteone · 25/10/2022 20:45

SalmonEile · 25/10/2022 19:04

Your sister and husband give their daughter their room and take the sitting room themselves ?

Seems like the perfect solution to me!

Mum2jenny · 25/10/2022 20:45

Personally my kids would be coming first. If my Ds didn’t like it, she can put up and shut up, or move out.

5128gap · 25/10/2022 20:46

Delphinium20 · 25/10/2022 20:29

I agree that your young teen niece needs privacy as much as your DD, so why then aren't the adults fixing this? Why can't your sister and her husband, along with the 5 yr old who has anxiety and often sleeps w/ mom and dad (understandable, he's little) sleep in the lounge and the niece get the guest room? Why can't you share your room w/ your niece?

This.
OP, you are very generously allowing this family use of your spare bedroom and the living room to sleep in. It's up to them to use the space allocated to them to best meet their family's needs. Just as they would have to in temporary accommodation or a B&B.
You are doing more than enough. Don't be guilt tripped into doing even more at the expense of your DD.

Jellybean23 · 25/10/2022 20:46

Have I got this right please? You say you'd like to spend Christmas with your late wife's parents? So have your children lost their mother? Are you a widower?

If yes to both of these questions, I really think you have done a wonderful thing helping your sister for 4 months but this cannot go on for another 8! They need to leave as soon as possible. You must put your children before your sister. Tell them they have to leave in two weeks and the matter will come to a head and the council will step in in some way to help them.

DGay · 25/10/2022 20:46

If your sister doesn't like the way you do things, tell her she is very welcome to leave your house.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 25/10/2022 20:46

Delphinium20 · 25/10/2022 20:29

I agree that your young teen niece needs privacy as much as your DD, so why then aren't the adults fixing this? Why can't your sister and her husband, along with the 5 yr old who has anxiety and often sleeps w/ mom and dad (understandable, he's little) sleep in the lounge and the niece get the guest room? Why can't you share your room w/ your niece?

You think the 14 year old should share a bedroom with her uncle???

FacebookPhotos · 25/10/2022 20:47

I really think you need to tell them to leave or swap so that DSis has the living room and DNeice the bedroom. It isn’t okay to insist your daughter shares, but it also isn’t okay for a 14yo girl to have no privacy from opposite sex siblings, cousins, or even dad tbh.

You we’re obviously kind to let them stay, but it just isn’t practical.

carolinasm · 25/10/2022 20:47

CharlotteStreet · 25/10/2022 19:27

We had a similar scenario when I was about 14. I didn't enjoy sharing with my cousin (I'd never even met her before - the family were relocating from overseas) but it never occurred to me that not sharing would have been an option so we just got on with it.

So I think YABU about the room (lockable though? Ha ha).

As for the eating out though, I'd tell your sister it's non-negotiable and your point about it being your only family time together is more than valid on its own.

I agree with this. The girls could share. As for eating out, it is your decision and your time with your kids.

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