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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
Knackeredmommy · 25/10/2022 20:13

YANBU, totally understand your daughter needing her own space. I think you're sister is expecting a lot from you and and your children, it's understandable you'd want some weekly alone time with your DC and why should they miss out on their takeaway? How long is this situation for?

Knackeredmommy · 25/10/2022 20:13

your sister

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/10/2022 20:13

Your sister is right a teenage girl should have access to a lockable room, My house doesn't have lockable bedrooms. I don't think many houses do. Who does she need protecting from?

MzHz · 25/10/2022 20:14

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 25/10/2022 18:56

OMG, ask them to leave.

They sound like they think it’s their house.

Honestly this ^

no good deed goes unpunished

you’re doing them an ENORMOUS favour.

MarigoldMoonStone · 25/10/2022 20:14

They haven’t scuppered their chances of getting a council house.
OP owns their home so they are not obliged to house them forever and can count as temporary accommodation.
Shared facilities with another family is a reason to be housed also.

It’s really nice of you to offer them to stay, but they are sounding a bit ungrateful! They could definitely swap with their daughter if they thought it was so hard on her not to have a room. And you taking your kids out for dinner is really none of their business, they can’t expect to totally disrupt your house and routine for a whole year!

Aprilx · 25/10/2022 20:16

I am torn. You are doing them a huge favour, but actually I think it is awful to make a 14 year old girl go without a bedroom, even a shared one. And of course you should be able to go out for dinner with your own children, but the way you are doing it feels mean too. Either accommodate them or don’t, but expecting a 14y old to go without a bedroom and to carry on as if there were not an extra five people in your house, is unreasonable. I am coming down on the side of telling them to leave as this is too much.

KitchiHuritAngeni · 25/10/2022 20:16

Your sister and her family have been through a lot by the sounds of it.

Equally you and your kids have been through a lot too

Your sister will want her kids prioritised, and you'll want to prioritise your kids.

The situation is going to be completely unworkable. You've tried to compromise, your sister doesn't want to.

You'll be doing them a bigger favour by telling them they can't stay for a year as its just not working out, and allowing them to get temporary accommodation. Depending on the area you're in this may well be the quickest way they get a council home anyway.

RosetteNebula · 25/10/2022 20:17

YANBU. Your sister sounds really entitled and maybe I'm a bitch but I wouldn't have let them stay in the first place.

LumpyandBumps · 25/10/2022 20:18

I feel sympathy for their whole family - and yours.

Of course a 14 YO would ideally like her own room, but it’s not always possible.

If you hadn’t let them stay with you they could have ended up in one room at a hostel, sharing kitchen and bathroom facilities with complete strangers.

If the parents want to help your niece they can give up their room, and presumably she can go in there for some privacy when they are not using it.

It might be a good idea to check whether or not there is any realistic prospect of them being housed in the next 8 months. If not they are likely to end up in a hostel anyway, so might decide that if that is their only option they might as well leave earlier to get it over with. There is not much to suggest that their stay in temporary accommodation will be in any way reduced due to staying with you in less than ideal conditions.

I doubt that 3 adults and 5 children in your 4 bedroom house will be deemed as overcrowded, so they will get no additional priority for that. (My niece was told that her 2 bedroom flat was not overcrowded with 6 occupants).

You should definitely keep your DC’s once weekly treat. They have had their routine disrupted enough already.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/10/2022 20:19

So they'd made themselves intentionally homeless so they will get (think they will get) a council house?

They've found themselves adequate housing with family - there's a sofa and there's a bedroom, plus there is enough space for their children to share with others of the same sex, the 5 year old with his parents - so no reason for the council to have a duty to find accommodation. As such, they'll be there forever.

The only way they could potentially be offered temporary accommodation or helped to access privately rented (which is far more likely how the council will discharge any responsibility towards them if they do agree that however they ended up at yours wasn't trying to game the system) is if you chuck them out - as in no, they do not have anywhere to sleep tonight - and confirm that with the housing department when they contact you to check these claims. It'll mean them going into B&B accommodation most likely, for a considerable period - but if they're truly homeless, that's what people accept; they don't say actually, nah, we're totally homeless with nowhere to go, but we'll stay at my brother's until you give us a house.

Goldbar · 25/10/2022 20:19

Either accommodate them or don’t, but expecting a 14y old to go without a bedroom and to carry on as if there were not an extra five people in your house, is unreasonable

I agree with this. Your niece should not be expected to sleep on the sofa in the living-room for a year. If that's the only acceptable option, it might be kinder just to tell them to go and then the council will have to sort something out for them.

mathanxiety · 25/10/2022 20:19

You should investigate whether the fact that they have housing has affected their status on the housing waiting list. I strongly suspect it has, and if that's the case, they won't make progress up the list until their housing situation is more precarious.

I would not leave at Christmas if I were you, tempting though it might seem. You will find the niece installed in your daughter's room when you come back.

I agree with posters saying the S and her H should be sleeping in the sitting room. It will motivate them to find somewhere else. If they are saving on rent or mortgage money maybe they can find a private rental and pay the deposit.

Are your sister and BIL employed?

PickAnyName · 25/10/2022 20:20

Your sister has landed on her feet. She is not in a position to dictate how you arrange your home or who has which room. You are doing her a favour. Is she making any kind of financial contribution? You have given over a large part of your home for a whole year and she doesn’t seem remotely grateful to you and your family. If her daughter isn’t happy, she can share with her parents. No way should your daughter be forced to share her room. It’s different for the boys as they want to share. Any more of this and I’d suggest they move out to find somewhere that suits them (and you!) better. Your kindness has moved them lower down the housing list. If she’s suddenly homeless, the council will have to rehome her. Maybe she should think of that.

StaunchMomma · 25/10/2022 20:20

Your sister should be more grateful that you have taken her family in at all - you absolutely do not have to change your own children's lives for the worse to accommodate them!

She sounds like a cheeky sod, to be honest.

Well done OP for having your kid's backs and prioritising them.

TheCurseOfBoris · 25/10/2022 20:22

I can't believe some pp's here. OP welcomed them into his home. Now they are making demands on how OP should live his life, how his DD should share.
If they don't like it, find somewhere else. OP, you have been incredibly generous already. A year is a very long time.

Ponderingwindow · 25/10/2022 20:22

I would not make your daughter share. She wants a respite from a house packed full of people and she should not have to compromise her space because of adult choices.

the visiting parents could always give up the guest room so that their daughter could have privacy. They could also divide the guest room with a curtain so that no one is in the lounge disrupting the household day to day life.

lunar1 · 25/10/2022 20:23

It's not working, you have gone out of your way to help and now they are making you uncomfortable in your own home.

It sounds as if your children may have lost their mum (sorry if I've interpreted that wrongly). Your teenage girl needs her space.

They can either find a solution with the space you have provided, or move out into private rented, like anyone else would have to.

Are they both working? Are they paying rent and bills?

SoupDragon · 25/10/2022 20:23

Either accommodate them or don’t, but expecting a 14y old to go without a bedroom and to carry on as if there were not an extra five people in your house, is unreasonable

This.

it really isn't fair to invite someone to stay in your house and then make them sleep in an open plan living room.

whumpthereitis · 25/10/2022 20:23

Be careful, OP. I do wonder if she’s purposefully taken advantage of your grieving family, and has long-term designs on your house.

also, if she’s not getting anywhere with you, be ready for her to put pressure on your daughter directly.

MysteryBelle · 25/10/2022 20:23

I can’t get over how horrid and ungrateful your grasping sister and her lazy husband have been to you who lost your wife and your children who lost their mother. They want to take over your home indefinitely, keep you from taking your own children out, and force vulnerable daughter to never have her private space.

If they really cared about their own daughter’s privacy, they would sleep downstairs and let her have the guest room.

They need to be told to leave ASAP. Your sister is taking advantage of her grieving brother to get free room and board, and also demand everything else too, and then complain constantly.

bridgetreilly · 25/10/2022 20:24

On the dinner, I think it should be easy enough to say that you’ve all agreed that once a week each family will eat separately. Your family is going out, theirs is staying in.

But YANBU re. the girls’ sleeping arrangements either. It’s not ideal for your niece, but that isn’t your fault. You’re already doing them all a massive favour. Your daughter is entitled to her own room.

Abundanceofcare · 25/10/2022 20:25

I agree, DSis and BIL should sleep in the living room and swap with niece.

Carry on with the take aways or dinner out. Your sister and her family can't expect you to forgo this to spare their feelings. Do they also expect you not to go on holiday, buy new clothes, have a good time unless they can too?

Addicted2LoveIsland · 25/10/2022 20:26

Your house your rules OP. Your sister needs to deal with it. You in no way have to pay for take away. If your sister wants the same for her kids she can pay. Your daughter should in no way be forced to share. Your sis is being really entitled. I'd tell her. Your rules or she can leave.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 25/10/2022 20:26

I think going out to eat when your sister can't afford it is a bit shitty tbh. Why not stay in and do pizzas where everybody chooses their toppings, or make hot dogs or something?

CarefreeMe · 25/10/2022 20:27

Can I ask why they are living with you?

Surely if their old home was put up for sale and they were evicted then the council should have found them temporary accommodation - why did this not happen?

They now have a home and they will be right at the bottom of the list for housing.

It could literally take years for them to find a home.
What are you going to do once the 12 months is up?

They need to speak to the council and say you are kicking them out - they will then be put up the top of the list again.
It is not fair on your DCs or their DCs to be in this situation.

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