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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 12:45

I did say "If"

swallowedAfly · 27/10/2022 12:57

OP why are they 'homeless'? Do they work and why is it they're intent on the council housing them rather than sorting themselves? It would really help to know rather than all the assumptions. It kind of makes no sense why they are there and why think they think the council will ever help them (given the ever replaceable queue of people with higher needs than them that will always be above them on the priorities list).

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 13:06

Why does it matter to people why they are homeless? Redundancy, illness, landlord selling up, it doesn't actually matter how or why the family have hit hard times.

The bottom line is a 14yo is being expected to sleep on a couch. It's not her fault but nor should the other girl be expected to give up her space either.
The parents should be on the couch and she can share with 5yo brother.

Liorae · 27/10/2022 13:35

Why does it matter to people why they are homeless? Redundancy, illness, landlord selling up, it doesn't actually matter how or why the family have hit hard times.
They are trying to figure out if they are the "deserving poor" who should be helped, or the feckless who should not. Very Christian indeed.

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 13:48

Well thank God Op isn't so judgmental no matter what the circumstances, its not teenage girl fault and she deserves better.
Maybe her Dad should try out the couch for a few weeks.

Op your a great guy and your kids will grow up with your kindness in their hearts.

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/10/2022 14:05

PinkStarAtNight · 26/10/2022 22:29

I'm not suggesting the OP's daughter give up her room. Im suggesting the boys should be downstairs and the niece in their room

If that's really a method used in triaging people then thats worrying. Sometimes people who seem the loudest and most full of spirit are the ones struggling the most. Its just that everyone deals with things differently.

Huh? Why should op turf his own ds out of his own bedroom?! The 14 yo girl’s own parents won’t put her first so the expectation is the house owner and an 11 yo child should.

whumpthereitis · 27/10/2022 15:07

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 13:48

Well thank God Op isn't so judgmental no matter what the circumstances, its not teenage girl fault and she deserves better.
Maybe her Dad should try out the couch for a few weeks.

Op your a great guy and your kids will grow up with your kindness in their hearts.

Her parents need to provide her with better, in that case.

Equally, his children may well grow up to be resolutely against ever doing what their father has done, having found the situation to be deeply unpleasant.

ihatethefuckingmuffin · 27/10/2022 15:12

Or they might put up close family but put down firm boundaries and tell them deal with it or find somewhere else !

BaconCabbage · 27/10/2022 15:13

This isn't going to be temporary. It takes years for people to get housed via the council housing register.

If you kick them out they will get temporary accommodation (if they qualify). Then live there until they get offered a permanent home.

This is a really awkward living situation, your sister is taking the piss.

Bekindnotarsey · 27/10/2022 16:22

Just a thought, although I know it’s your home and why should you do this, however could this be a possibility

Bedroom 1 .. Sister and husband
Bedroom 2 ..Your daughter
Bedroom 3.. Sisters daughter
Bedroom 4 .. Both the boys

and yourself, a put me up bed downstairs, or sofa bed?

i know it’s your home, but these are usual circumstances and may prevent arguments which no one wants in the short term. You may get some piece and quiet also with everyone upstairs.

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 16:25

@Bekindnotarsey you've missed a kid.
Really you are suggesting the Op should give up his room for his neice? Why shouldn't the parents give up their room for their daughter? And LO can share with the daughter.

BlueRidge · 27/10/2022 16:28

@Bekindnotarsey You what?!
The OP opens up his house to help out family, subs them financially to a huge extent, upsets the routines of his (bereaved) children massively and is then expected to give up his bedroom and sleep on a put-you-up for months?!
Jesus, the entitlement on this thread!

Lapland123 · 27/10/2022 16:53

The respected replies of a few posters saying that what is being offered is just NOT ENOUGH are idiots or just goady

such nonsense of how ‘Christian ‘ this is 🙄 ( what a stupid thing to say);that the OP ( but not the parents) should consider the 14 year old; that you shouldn’t make them feel ‘ unwelcome’, when of course they are unwelcome- they are adults and should sort out their own accommodation; that OP should offer to accommodate them when not considering their exact needs and that saying no would have been preferable- when OP would much rather not have 5 extra in his house, likely was pressured and a council would give them ONE room, nothing as luxurious as this 🙄🙄🙄

I think those posters are just trying to annoy us!

Lapland123 · 27/10/2022 16:55

Repeated replies

the OP should not offer to accommodate

sorry - typos as out and about!

SnackyOnassis · 27/10/2022 16:56

You're doing an incredibly kind thing for your sister and her family, OP, and you're doing enough.
If your sister thinks her family deserves more (treat meals and a private room for her daughter) then it's up to her to provide it, you've done more than enough.
You seem to have your head screwed on about what your family needs, but I think keeping your Friday family meal out is a great idea and gives you an opportunity to keep checking in on your two to make sure they're still ok with this arrangement - obviously should one of them says they can't deal with having their home so crowded anymore, you'd need to be able to do something about that.
That'd be my only worry, is that your daughter is overwhelmed by having so many people around, but feels that if she raised it, nothing would be done. But you seem to have your priorities right and I think you'd advocate for your children.

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 17:00

The Christian comment was about posters trying to dig for information on why the family are homeless.
It's fairly obvious they've landed on hard times the actual reason, just doesn't matter, nor does it change the Op opening up his house to help his DSis and family out.

Iliveonahill · 27/10/2022 17:07

gamerchick · 27/10/2022 09:17

a 4 bedroom house usually has a basement, why wasn't that considered an option? Even if it's not finished, there's more space than the living room

I'm in a 4 bed, I definitely don't have a basement. What a strange thing to say.

Well OP there's a shed load of people on this thread who could host a family better than you for ages. Tap one of them up Grin

I agree especially since MN hates unexpected visitors and will not answer the door if not expected. But are willing to put up a family for a year and expect the OP to just move over.

forrestgreen · 27/10/2022 17:18

I'd just say
'Ds I offered you a room for a year, not half of my house. We lead different lives and I'm not going to stop my family active because you're with us. As it's been very trying for all of us, I suggest you find alternative accommodation in (January).'

tamarvin · 27/10/2022 17:30

@Schnooze Yeah, I'll mention that they should try that arrangement out.

OP posts:
Goodadvice1980 · 27/10/2022 17:36

OP you’ve tried to do a really nice thing. These freeloaders need to go. They don’t appreciate your generosity and are no doubt causing distress to your own dc.

serenghetti2011 · 27/10/2022 17:54

Why can’t they live in temporary accommodation? It’s nice of you but I wouldn’t expect this from my sister and it’s not really working out? I’ve been in temp for 4 years 9 months with 4 kids it’s not ideal!!
I work (nurse) and pay bills and paid my £900 rent etc fine but just couldn’t get another rental after landlord sold. Similar house is £1500 pm locally. We are miles from school etc but at least I have my own space and my sister and I get on but I wouldn’t live with her and her family.

pictish · 27/10/2022 17:56

Think you should all stop making up your own narrative and insulting his sister.
None of you know anything. Tough luck.

KateADM · 27/10/2022 18:21

You are very generous to take a family of 5 into your home, related or not.

I'd tell your sister she is welcome to take the lounge and give the 4th bedroom to her daughter if she feels so strongly about her having privacy.

BaconCabbage · 27/10/2022 18:25

Bekindnotarsey · 27/10/2022 16:22

Just a thought, although I know it’s your home and why should you do this, however could this be a possibility

Bedroom 1 .. Sister and husband
Bedroom 2 ..Your daughter
Bedroom 3.. Sisters daughter
Bedroom 4 .. Both the boys

and yourself, a put me up bed downstairs, or sofa bed?

i know it’s your home, but these are usual circumstances and may prevent arguments which no one wants in the short term. You may get some piece and quiet also with everyone upstairs.

Fuuuuucking hell.

Why don't you just move out and let them have the house?

Maybe leave your credit card so they can get a weekly takeaway?

Best we don't treat anyone unfairly eh

BaconCabbage · 27/10/2022 18:26

KateADM · 27/10/2022 18:21

You are very generous to take a family of 5 into your home, related or not.

I'd tell your sister she is welcome to take the lounge and give the 4th bedroom to her daughter if she feels so strongly about her having privacy.

Yep sister and husband on the sofa bed

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