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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
Notanotherusername4321 · 27/10/2022 09:01

a 4 bedroom house usually has a basement, why wasn't that considered an option? Even if it's not finished, there's more space than the living room

er no they don’t? I’ve seen many 4 bed houses and never come across one with a basement.

unless you’re in the US and the movie trope where there’s always a basement is true?

in the UK basements aren’t a thing.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 27/10/2022 09:14

The 5 yo was originally due to be in the living room, but had been “joining” his parents. So presumably this was thought of as ok to start with?

Or he could go in with the other boys?

Johnsonsbabies · 27/10/2022 09:15

As has been said earlier “no good deed goes unpunished” and OP’s Sister is pushing the boundaries to get a bigger slice for her family, while the OP’s family has to give up their personal space and occasional treats (and financially subsidise them -reading between the lines).

Just no!

If CF sister and her family don’t like it they can find and pay for their own accommodation and no offering to “lend” the deposit and be a guarantor either!

gamerchick · 27/10/2022 09:17

a 4 bedroom house usually has a basement, why wasn't that considered an option? Even if it's not finished, there's more space than the living room

I'm in a 4 bed, I definitely don't have a basement. What a strange thing to say.

Well OP there's a shed load of people on this thread who could host a family better than you for ages. Tap one of them up Grin

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 09:20

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 27/10/2022 09:14

The 5 yo was originally due to be in the living room, but had been “joining” his parents. So presumably this was thought of as ok to start with?

Or he could go in with the other boys?

I be very wary of putting the 5 yo in with the other boys.
I have a 6 year gap between my boys and the squabbling would be endless with him messing up their games, or 'fixing' lego in a 5yo way.

It also means the Ops son would be out numbered in his own room. Don't rock that boat.

SkylightSkylight · 27/10/2022 09:25

PartyHelp · 26/10/2022 09:42

Is this a serious post? I can only assume you are either the sister or a CF yourself!
Op, ignore this BS, you have been more the accommodating to your sister and her family. If her mother is that concerned about your niece having a space in a closed room she or her husband can swap with her.

@@PartyHelp

how rude.

It's up to the OP to decide what he takes from the thread, not you.

obviously it's a serious post & of course I'm not the sister. Nor am I a CF.

I'm just someone who thinks you offer to have family stay & you make them feel welcome, not uncomfortable.

when I was a child, my Aunt & Uncle with their 3 girls lived with us (parents, me & my sibling) for 2 years while they got back on their feet. It was a 3 bed end of terrace. Looking back, I have no idea how we all fit, but it wasn't an issue at the time.

& my parents were not well off, by any means.

I have had one of my adult god daughters living with me on & off (more on) for 7 years, I'm not going into her personal details, but she doesn't contribute financially, she's here because I love her & can help her out 🤷🏻‍♀️ I would tell her she can stay, live here, then buy takeaway just for me, not her & I wouldn't make her sleep in the lounge. Before that I've had other family & friend staying with me for more than just visiting.

Twillow · 27/10/2022 09:27

You are doing a very kind thing and it must be quite disruptive for your own children. You are completely entitled to set the terms. While they are sharing grocery costs you have not, I think, said if they are contributing in terms of rent?Your niece can surely use the bathroom for getting changed. The other option is for the parents and younger nephew to sleep in the living room and give their daughter a bedroom. Or, as another poster suggested, the two older boys relinquish your son's room and sleep downstairs.
Kindly but firmly, stick to your guns. "We are going out to eat once a week so we have some family time for ourselves". "It will not work for the girls to share a bedroom".

Untitledsquatboulder · 27/10/2022 09:30

@PartyHelp in some families it's not the done thing to invite family to live with you then treat them as second class citizens. Would be considered abhorrent in fact.

Johnsonsbabies · 27/10/2022 09:42

Untitledsquatboulder · 27/10/2022 09:30

@PartyHelp in some families it's not the done thing to invite family to live with you then treat them as second class citizens. Would be considered abhorrent in fact.

…but you wouldn’t be a doormat for them to wipe their feet on either.

The OP presumably took them in as a financial resort after being evicted (or some such).

Johnsonsbabies · 27/10/2022 09:44

Beggars can’t be choosers!

Johnsonsbabies · 27/10/2022 09:46

…last financial resort - doh!

AryaStarkWolf · 27/10/2022 09:59

Notanotherusername4321 · 27/10/2022 09:01

a 4 bedroom house usually has a basement, why wasn't that considered an option? Even if it's not finished, there's more space than the living room

er no they don’t? I’ve seen many 4 bed houses and never come across one with a basement.

unless you’re in the US and the movie trope where there’s always a basement is true?

in the UK basements aren’t a thing.

Yeah, I was thinking that person must be American because I literally know no one with a basement here in Ireland either 😂

SpaceshiptoMars · 27/10/2022 10:13

Basement! Grin Welcome to the coal cellar, sorry it's a bit damp. Mind your head, it's not very deep. Maybe we need to find something to stuff in the hole for the coal, to stop the insects getting in....

IAmAReader · 27/10/2022 10:18

XanaduKira · 27/10/2022 01:05

He did say they're not paying rent.

OK, my bad - must've missed that.

IAmAReader · 27/10/2022 10:26

Dinoteeth · 27/10/2022 06:47

@IAmAReader
It's clear he doesn't want to share the back story and his sisters financial issues. Clearly they are skint, probably lots of debt that they are desperately trying to pay off. Hence not having money for takeaways or big Christmas gifts.

He is being incredibly kind trying to house them.

@Dinoteeth OK fair enough...If that's the case yes he is being very kind and I'm even more amazed that they are being so ungrateful. I'd never stay with a family long term, be it relatives or friends rent free and expect them to take me out on their family dinners in addition to the free accommodation!

She's very fortunate to have such a brother,not everyone would go to that length to make sure their sibling was ok.

He has agreed to house them all in hard times when it's actually their responsibility to provide shelter for their own 3 children so it is very admirable. They should definitely arrange themselves the best they can in the rooms he has provided and definitely shouldn't encroach on his daughter's space. Anyone suggesting otherwise is probably entitled like his sister.

whumpthereitis · 27/10/2022 10:48

Untitledsquatboulder · 27/10/2022 09:30

@PartyHelp in some families it's not the done thing to invite family to live with you then treat them as second class citizens. Would be considered abhorrent in fact.

And in some families you wouldn’t be ungrateful and demanding in regards to the family member whose charity you’re living off, especially when you had no problem with the proposed living situation when you accepted said charity.

PartyHelp · 27/10/2022 10:56

Untitledsquatboulder · 27/10/2022 09:30

@PartyHelp in some families it's not the done thing to invite family to live with you then treat them as second class citizens. Would be considered abhorrent in fact.

WTF are you talking about, no-one is being treated like a second class citizen.

The op is letting a family of 5 stay in his and his childrens home rent free for a year. He has given them the available room and the lounge and his son is sharing a room with his cousin.

It is perfectly reasonable for the op to take his kids out for dinner once a week. They are 2 separate families that are not required to do ever together.

As for the niece, if the parents we're that concerned about her privacy then her father could sleep on the sofa and she could sleep with her mother and brother.

The reason people are making assumptions about the sister is because she comes across as an entitled cheeky fucker. How dare she complain about him eating out with his kids and how dare she try and force the op's daughter to share.

The alternative is likely council emergency accommodation which would likely be 1 room in a b&b they would have to leave all day. Maybe she should try that for a couple of weeks and she might be a bit more grateful.

Schnooze · 27/10/2022 11:04

Will you suggest they give their dd their room, op?

Schnooze · 27/10/2022 11:09

Before they move out in January I mean.

I also recommend as a pp did, that you formalise the January moving out date in writing, so that they can take this down to the housing office to see what their options are when they are officially homeless. Although nothing will probably happen till then anyway, as they will be classed as adequately housed until you officially throw them out.

Popgoestheweaselagain · 27/10/2022 11:09

PinkStarAtNight · 26/10/2022 22:29

I'm not suggesting the OP's daughter give up her room. Im suggesting the boys should be downstairs and the niece in their room

If that's really a method used in triaging people then thats worrying. Sometimes people who seem the loudest and most full of spirit are the ones struggling the most. Its just that everyone deals with things differently.

According to the OP, his sister thinks he should 'force' (worrying word) his dd to share with ther cousin. When OP tried to explain that his dd isn't coping with the situation and he's worried about the impact on her of losing her space, sis brushed that aside and insisted that sharing a room would help them to 'bond' (how? by OP's daughter being kept awake by chatter box?) OP suggested a curtain, she wasn't interested. She then started guilt-tripping OP about taking his kids out once in a while (angling that her kids should go along too). She sounds like she knows how to look after herself very well, and her loud, shouty daughter too. That's why so many of us are telling OP to be careful.

whumpthereitis · 27/10/2022 11:42

Has forcing people together ever actually helped them ‘bond’, or is that just something people say without even believing it themselves?

Because that just seems to be a one way ticket to resentment and mutual hostility, if not out and out war.

Silvers11 · 27/10/2022 11:47

Schnooze · 27/10/2022 11:09

Before they move out in January I mean.

I also recommend as a pp did, that you formalise the January moving out date in writing, so that they can take this down to the housing office to see what their options are when they are officially homeless. Although nothing will probably happen till then anyway, as they will be classed as adequately housed until you officially throw them out.

This. Absolutely this.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 12:22

whumpthereitis · 27/10/2022 11:42

Has forcing people together ever actually helped them ‘bond’, or is that just something people say without even believing it themselves?

Because that just seems to be a one way ticket to resentment and mutual hostility, if not out and out war.

Exactly!

And if the niece takes after her other, OP's DD will be bullied and harassed morning, noon and night and have nowhere that she can go for respite.

Her clothes will be "borrowed" , her personal possessions used and abused, her decorative choices will be altered ("But it's Niece's room, too - why can't she have HER posters on the wall and paint the doors black? It's so unfair - she hates living in green and white and it's depressing her.")

This is OP's DD's space and she is entitled to it.

We don't know how or why they lost their home - it isn't relevant, really - but it must be horrible for them. I appreciate that. But it's pretty horrible for OP's DD, too.

His sister really needs to appreciate that he has made a huge family sacrifice to let them all move in - he must love them very much - but he isn't responsible for everything they want. If they can't afford something, they can't afford it. A once-a-week treat for his own kids is HIS business.

You'd think OP was sending his niece and nephews out to beg on the streets or shoving them up chimneys the way some people are going on.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 12:23

*takes after her MOTHER, not other

Sorry - fat fingers

SoupDragon · 27/10/2022 12:29

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 12:22

Exactly!

And if the niece takes after her other, OP's DD will be bullied and harassed morning, noon and night and have nowhere that she can go for respite.

Her clothes will be "borrowed" , her personal possessions used and abused, her decorative choices will be altered ("But it's Niece's room, too - why can't she have HER posters on the wall and paint the doors black? It's so unfair - she hates living in green and white and it's depressing her.")

This is OP's DD's space and she is entitled to it.

We don't know how or why they lost their home - it isn't relevant, really - but it must be horrible for them. I appreciate that. But it's pretty horrible for OP's DD, too.

His sister really needs to appreciate that he has made a huge family sacrifice to let them all move in - he must love them very much - but he isn't responsible for everything they want. If they can't afford something, they can't afford it. A once-a-week treat for his own kids is HIS business.

You'd think OP was sending his niece and nephews out to beg on the streets or shoving them up chimneys the way some people are going on.

Demonising the niece with made up stuff isn't helpful. She is a 14 year old with no space of her own through no fault of her own.

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