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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
LibrariesGiveUsPower · 26/10/2022 16:13

Quite simple, your sister and husband sleep on the sofa. Her daughter goes in guest bedroom. 5 year old goes where he’s happiest.

if they don’t like it tough cookies.

takeaway, again no you can’t give in to her demands. You’re not a blended family here.

swallowedAfly · 26/10/2022 16:30

The reality is they have a bedroom and lounge for the adult couple and 2 children and the freedom to use that space as best fits, not to demand more. So Mum and her dd could sleep in bedroom, Dad and ds downstairs, or kids could have bedroom and parents downstairs or they could have a rota and or things like Mum and Dad get up and ready early allowing DD to have the bedroom for a bit of extra sleep and somewhere private to get dressed and ready for school.

There are many options but the sister is only open to one and that is the one that requires no change on her part and is the one that the OP has said is not an option.

I'm still baffled as to how two seemingly able bodied adults with children can think they need housing by the council or a family member. They work, they look for a private rental, like anyone else surely? If I can manage it as a lone parent with health problems then so can they. Trust me it doesn't feel like I'm managing some days, it can be relentless keeping a roof over your child's head and wondering how much long you can keep up working whilst unwell and having so much responsibility on your shoulders (ds is 15 so I've put in a long shift already lol) but needs must.

There are 2 of them.

swallowedAfly · 26/10/2022 16:31

By the way I know of a lady now and have known others in the past who've lived permanently in a housing situation where not everyone can have a room and someone must sleep in the lounge with all that entails. They've given themselves the lounge. For years.

Liorae · 26/10/2022 16:38

I agree that the parents should take the lounge. They'll be much quicker to move out then!

neverbeenskiing · 26/10/2022 16:38

How many of us adults would welcome being told, "Oh, by the way, you're now going to be sharing your bedroom with so-and-so for the foreseeable future?"

Exactly! There are so many threads on here where people are told repeatedly they shouldn't feel obligated to go to a family members wedding or vist their in laws if they don't like them. Lots of talk about "boundaries" as a form of self care and putting ourselves first. Why is that important for adults but not teenagers? OP's children are already having their routine disrupted by sharing their home with another family. To force his DD to share her bedroom with a girl she does not feel comfortable with on top of this is just too much and no adult would reasonably be expected to put up with it. Why do we hold children to a higher standard than we set for adults?

MichaelFabricantWig · 26/10/2022 16:43

Needmorelego · 25/10/2022 19:11

Either...
The girls share. It's just temporary. They are cousins - they would learn to live with it.
You share with your daughter, niece gets your room.
Sister and husband sleep in the living room, niece in the guest room.
The meal out thing just sounds childish. Yes your kids enjoy it but they can survive without it for a while surely. 13 and 11 is old enough to be sat down and talked to and told a few things will need to be done differently while their cousins are there. You can do other (cheaper) treats that could include the cousins and your sister and husband could contribute too - like pizza night with the pizzas from Iceland or something.

Och away you go. This is ridiculous.

I wonder many people here would be willing to put themselves out further or go without to accommodate someone they are already going above and beyond for.

MichaelFabricantWig · 26/10/2022 16:47

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 14:59

Fine. Just watch the teenager go off the rails then.

And what about the OP’s daughter? A young teenager with no mum? Or is she not important?

billy1966 · 26/10/2022 17:03

neverbeenskiing · 26/10/2022 16:38

How many of us adults would welcome being told, "Oh, by the way, you're now going to be sharing your bedroom with so-and-so for the foreseeable future?"

Exactly! There are so many threads on here where people are told repeatedly they shouldn't feel obligated to go to a family members wedding or vist their in laws if they don't like them. Lots of talk about "boundaries" as a form of self care and putting ourselves first. Why is that important for adults but not teenagers? OP's children are already having their routine disrupted by sharing their home with another family. To force his DD to share her bedroom with a girl she does not feel comfortable with on top of this is just too much and no adult would reasonably be expected to put up with it. Why do we hold children to a higher standard than we set for adults?

Well said.

People wonder why the MH of so many teens is in shit.

How about parents treat them with a bit of courtesy and respect.

Foisting a whole family on your children for a year is extraordinary, especially one where the aunt is completely unappreciative and trying to lay down the law.

The OP's poor daughter.

There is every chance he will come to bitterly regret allowing his sister to stay because of the long term consequences for his fragile, vulnerable 14 year old, particularly as he knows well she is already struggling, so must have verbalised it to him.

The OP is being spectacularly cavalier with her MH.

The fact that he is trying to be kind to his sister is simply not good enough.

His first obligation to his children and his late wife is to mind them above all others.

It's really not difficult.

He should give them 2 months notice, which is plenty of time.

Popgoestheweaselagain · 26/10/2022 17:12

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tamarvin · 26/10/2022 17:22

@Popgoestheweaselagain Nope, just lurking. Nobody has said anything new for a long time though so I haven't felt the need to reply. Yours was definitely a first.

OP posts:
random223 · 26/10/2022 17:26

I also think you can't expect a 14 year old girl to sleep on a sofa for a year. Where does she do her homework? I think the adults downstairs is a good option unless you can split the bedrooms somehow.

The weekly meal out is completely fair and important for your family. Your sister should completely respect this. It gives her time to spend with her own family.

Needmorelego · 26/10/2022 17:37

@MichaelFabricantWig my comment was originally written before a few more of the facts were known.
I now don't think the girls should share if they really don't want to. In some families cousins aged 13 and 14 would get along fine and be happy to share - but it's seems this isn't the case.
I also suggested the OP shared with daughter - this was before knowing the OP was her Dad and I now know this wouldn't be appropriate.
Basically now from now knowing the circumstances it should be 14 year old in the guest room, her parents in living room. 5 year old boy with the older boys (or parents).
As for the takeaway thing. I still think once a week or so the whole family could have treat night - all 3 adults contribute. Iceland pizza or something. It was be nice - help the cousins bond.
But as for the OP taking his children out. Well he should just do it. Why should the sister/bil/cousins even need to know? All he might need to say is "oh by the way sis me and the kids will be out Saturday".

iRun2eatCake · 26/10/2022 17:41

@tamarvin what have you decided to do?

Lapland123 · 26/10/2022 17:46

Needmorelego

why do the families need a weekly treat night together- they are under each other’s feet 24/7, they are likely to be sick of the sight of each other if it goes on much longer. The sister and her husband are very odd indeed not to want their own family time. Then again they are leeching off her brother so standards are not high

random223

it is not the OP who is ‘expecting a 14 year old’ to sleep in living room, it is the 14 year old’s parents who are expecting that and are responsible for that

also some ridiculous posters suggesting that if you don’t have about 4 spare bedrooms you should offer nothing. No one would ever assist anyone if this was the case. That family will get one room in temporary council accommodation, one.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 26/10/2022 17:47

I know this is nothing to do with the subject of the thread but Im surprised at how many times Iceland Pizza has been mentioned as a 'treat'.

Are people who are suggesting this never actually never had a proper takeaway pizza? It is like comparing chalk with cheese.

Needmorelego · 26/10/2022 17:55

@ZeroFuchsGiven the Iceland stuffed crust pizzas are really nice. Not as good as a proper takeaway one - but nice for at home and obviously very much cheaper
@Lapland123 ok it's true. They don't need a 'weekly treat' - but isn't it nice to just do nice things once in a while.
The living situation sounds shit - so what's wrong with trying to make it just a bit nicer (for the children...all 5 of them).

tamarvin · 26/10/2022 18:00

@iRun2eatCake I'm thinking I'm probably going to talk to my sister about shortening the length of their stay like many people here suggested. The timeframe I'm leaning towards is mid January. I know several people have mention sooner and before Christmas, but that seems a little harsh to me.

OP posts:
Liorae · 26/10/2022 18:06

ZeroFuchsGiven · 26/10/2022 17:47

I know this is nothing to do with the subject of the thread but Im surprised at how many times Iceland Pizza has been mentioned as a 'treat'.

Are people who are suggesting this never actually never had a proper takeaway pizza? It is like comparing chalk with cheese.

I must admit I was thinking that myself. More like a punishment than a treat😉

ElrondsEars · 26/10/2022 18:06

@tamarvin Apologies if I’ve missed it, but what are the circumstances around your sister and her family needing to live with you?

Whether they are working & contributing would no doubt have an influence on the answers and advice you’re receiving…

uncomfortablydumb53 · 26/10/2022 18:08

Good idea
I'd also ask your sister to recheck the council housing rules
I have a feeling she has misled you OP
FWIW I think she's taking you for a mug

Popgoestheweaselagain · 26/10/2022 18:20

tamarvin · 26/10/2022 17:22

@Popgoestheweaselagain Nope, just lurking. Nobody has said anything new for a long time though so I haven't felt the need to reply. Yours was definitely a first.

Oh, no, I'm an insensitive shit. Hope you get this situation sorted out, and sorry for your loss.

Tandora · 26/10/2022 18:29

@tamarvin are they paying rent

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/10/2022 18:31

tamarvin · 26/10/2022 18:00

@iRun2eatCake I'm thinking I'm probably going to talk to my sister about shortening the length of their stay like many people here suggested. The timeframe I'm leaning towards is mid January. I know several people have mention sooner and before Christmas, but that seems a little harsh to me.

I think that's a good idea - and much kinder than making them leave before Christmas when they might end up spending a really miserable holiday season in some muck hole of a B&B.

Are you going to mention to your sister that she and your BIL could perhaps swap sleeping accommodation with their DD?

tamarvin · 26/10/2022 18:32

@Tandora no

OP posts:
HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 26/10/2022 18:34

Popgoestheweaselagain · 26/10/2022 18:20

Oh, no, I'm an insensitive shit. Hope you get this situation sorted out, and sorry for your loss.

You knew before you posted that the OPs wife had died and he’s raising 2 kids alive, the man tried to do a good thing and help his sister. I’d say your post was way beyond “insensitive” (and that’s hardly an apology). Still - you got tagged a couple of times so must have been worth it 🤔

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