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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
whumpthereitis · 26/10/2022 08:18

ChristmasLightsAndSparkles · 26/10/2022 08:08

OP should carry on doing what he usually does with his kids so long as he doesn't flaunt it.

Opening vastly different value stockings and presents together is flaunting it. I would certainly do this for my own nephew and niece. I feel that personal space and parent-child time (which OP is asking about) are much more important hills to die on than Christmas gifts. Pretty sure my DD would agree.

If by ‘joy’ you mean ‘I’m pretty sure Dante wrote about this in Inferno’, then yes.
😂
My adult niece lived with us for a while. I know it's a totally different situation with none of the tensions, but it was absolutely brilliant.

One niece is different to a family of five outnumbering you in your own home, living on your charity and demanding even more despite the fact you’ve already gone above and beyond for them.

They are totally different situations, like you said, so I don’t think you can draw parallels. OP’s children have already had to make huge adjustments, and imo they shouldn’t have to make any more, be it in regards to presents, space, or time.

LaGioconda · 26/10/2022 08:23

pollyglot · 25/10/2022 22:50

Why don't you and your DH sleep in the sitting room?

Why on earth should they?

PotentiallyPolly · 26/10/2022 08:32

My sister did this when she moved in with me. I ended up paying a fortune to make sure her and her kids had everything me and mine did. She let her kids trash my house and refused to parent them while here. So I’d really strongly recommend you kick them out, the council will put them up in temporary accommodation until they find them a permanent place. Don’t be a doormat, this is your home and your life.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 26/10/2022 08:37

LaGioconda · 26/10/2022 08:23

Why on earth should they?

I think you should both read the thread fgs.

Tiani4 · 26/10/2022 08:44

Your sister is entitled and ungrateful. She's getting her feet under the table for it to be a longer term stay. What was your original agreement? 3 months? 6 months stick to that as you making them homeless will jump them up the list or get them removed accomodation

Your DCs have been disrupted enough and DD doesn't have to lose her privacy for her cousin to gain some. Her cousin doesn't realise it's not her home!

Simple solution is

  1. Sis that's a shame Lisa feels like that, you will have to arrange for her to sleep in guest room with you and Hubbie sleep in her plave jn lounge. I cannot disrupt my DCs anymore than I already have. This is temp when you leaving? We can bear this for 3 months only as discussed.
  1. Sis, you don't get to dictate what my children and I do or where we go. I take them out once a week for peace away from this craziness of their aunt uncle and cousins camping in our home. It's got our sanity, If I didn't we would have to ask you to leave. So suggest you keep comments to yourself.
Tiani4 · 26/10/2022 08:44

Temporary accomodation not removed accomodation

ArrrMeHearties · 26/10/2022 08:47

When will they be leaving? The arrangement clearly isn't working

ladyofshertonabbas · 26/10/2022 08:48

Yanbu. Tell her the parents can sleep in the living room, giving the bedroom to their daughter.

user1471538283 · 26/10/2022 08:55

I would not force my child to share with anyone. Whilst your sister and her family are staying with you, it is your DC's home. The treat you give your DC is nothing to do with them. It is unfortunate but some people do have more than others.

I would be worried about this year thing. Have they been told in writing that a place will be available in a few months time?

I think they should explore other options. Some councils offer private housing or they will have to pay for private housing.

DoTheHoochyPoochy · 26/10/2022 08:55

Tell your sister to like it or lump it. That's all you can offer her
I think you are being very generous @tamarvin , but don't infringe of your DD privacy

MrsWhites · 26/10/2022 08:55

A year!!! You are a saint and your sister is being an ungrateful cow!

What if you take your children out for the day at weekends etc, does she expect you to pay for her children? Like you already say, what about Christmas, is she going to complain about your children gifts?

Also, what are their plans if they have no offer of a council house when the year is up?

LookItsMeAgain · 26/10/2022 08:57

If I was in your situation @tamarvin I would sit down with my sister and her husband and say that after 4 months of them staying, clearly things are not working out as they imagined. This is what is on offer for them if they want to continue to stay with you but you are not going to make your daughter share her room. It's not on the table. It never was. I would give them 2 months notice that they will have to find somewhere else to live if that doesn't suit them for the remaining 8 months of their stay. You will put them up for 6 months instead of a year.
This is so that you don't end up hating each other and causing rifts in the family that you can't come back from.

If I were you, when they leave, I would change the locks (I'm guessing you've given them all keys to your house) just as a precaution. I realise that they are family but they are clearly already pushing boundaries.

CactusPeach · 26/10/2022 08:58

Definitely don’t make your daughter share her bedroom, she needs to have her own place to retreat in her own house. I can also understand your niece’s feelings though, I think your niece should have the spare bedroom and your sister and husband should sleep in the lounge, they’re the adults and should be making more sacrifices than the kids.
With the meals could you reframe it? Point out to your sister that it’s the only time she gets to spend time with just her family, maybe she’ll be happier with the situation if that’s where her focus is, right now it sounds like she’s more focused on what she doesn’t have, that she’s having to rely on her sister albeit temporarily for housing, that you’re better off financially and can afford to take your children out to eat and she can’t etc. She’s seeing things from a perspective of lack of scarcity and that make’s people more grabby to take what they can, she needs to remember everything she does have and appreciate all that you are doing for her.

Discovereads · 26/10/2022 08:59

LookItsMeAgain · 26/10/2022 08:57

If I was in your situation @tamarvin I would sit down with my sister and her husband and say that after 4 months of them staying, clearly things are not working out as they imagined. This is what is on offer for them if they want to continue to stay with you but you are not going to make your daughter share her room. It's not on the table. It never was. I would give them 2 months notice that they will have to find somewhere else to live if that doesn't suit them for the remaining 8 months of their stay. You will put them up for 6 months instead of a year.
This is so that you don't end up hating each other and causing rifts in the family that you can't come back from.

If I were you, when they leave, I would change the locks (I'm guessing you've given them all keys to your house) just as a precaution. I realise that they are family but they are clearly already pushing boundaries.

This is very wise and measured advice.

LikeTearsInRain · 26/10/2022 09:02

LikeTearsInRain · 25/10/2022 23:39

Unless you have major drip feed incoming then I think two full grown adults with secondary school children can stand on their own two feet, work and find a home for their family.

You are extremely kind OP and I certainly could never imagine allowing 4 relatives to squeeze into my home for a year.

@tamarvin please answer

ZeroFuchsGiven · 26/10/2022 09:06

LikeTearsInRain · 26/10/2022 09:02

@tamarvin please answer

What are you asking him to answer?

You haven't even asked a question!

VestaTilley · 26/10/2022 09:08

You’re doing your sister a huge favour. How long before they move out? Don’t change the bedroom or the eating out.

Crazycrazylady · 26/10/2022 09:14

Honestly I think you need to have a frank conversation with your sister.
Explain that while you are happy to help her, it has to be on your terms and what's best for your family as well. If she is uncomfortable with that than maybe suggest she needs to find somewhere else to stay..

billy1966 · 26/10/2022 09:16

Discovereads · 26/10/2022 08:59

This is very wise and measured advice.

Very measured advice considering your sister is a CF.

OP, you were very wrong to foist this on your children.

Very wrong IMO.

Particularly as your sister sounds like a bully.

Her daughter didn't lick it off a stone.

Have your children not had it hard enough losing a mother?

FrippEnos · 26/10/2022 09:19

@tamarvin

For all the back and forth on here there really is only one issue and that is that they are in your house.

You need to start them moving forward on leaving, for some reason they don't want to rent private and the only way to get them a council house or HA property is to make them homeless.

It might sound nasty to some, and they will probably end up in emergency accommodation for a time, but this is a choice that they have made and you need to push forward to get them to do it. As its clearly not working after 4 months, it will be hell after a year.

HauntedCabinet · 26/10/2022 09:19

Like others I'd be going along the lines of: I have offered you what I can already. If that isn't enough for you then you will have to look elsewhere.

And if they push it that would quickly become a grown up conversation about how this arrangement isn't working for anyone and needs to come to an end sooner than expected.

StapFooterin · 26/10/2022 09:21

@LikeTearsInRain Answer what? What was your question to OP?

@tamarvin I think it probably is very difficult for your 14yo niece to have no space of her own, but it's not your problem to solve. You have already gone above and beyond by letting your sister and her family stay. Your sister has asked you if her daughter can share with your daughter. That isn't suitable and you have said so. It is therefore up to the parents to think of another solution. I also think it's perfectly reasonable to take your own children out for something to eat once a week. You are sharing a house. You are not obliged to share entire lives.

Gizlotsmum · 26/10/2022 09:25

Could your sister and husband have the lounge? Giving the guest room to their kids?

niugboo · 26/10/2022 09:26

They are going to be waiting forever.

They council will consider this suitable housing and will not prioritise. You need a plan long term because they won’t have a home in 8 months.

GreyElephantsWearingYellowPyjamas · 26/10/2022 09:30

Your sister sounds like hard work. She’s got no right to boss you around and tell you not to go out to eat. You’re doing her a huge favour by letting her stay with you. I think you need to have a chat, all three adults together to lay out some ground rules. It also needs to be established when they are leaving, either into council or privately rented accommodation. They could use this time to save a deposit.

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