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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
Seasider2017 · 26/10/2022 00:02

I’d place my last £10 that there both taking advantage of you because they know your a soft touch

its your house, your rules
you wouldn’t expect to stay at someone house and say he’s sleeping in that room with xxx and she’s sleeping in that room with xxx
if you want to stay at someone’s house you put up with what’s available. Like it or lump it

Your ds is taking advantage, now even telling you you shouldn’t take your kids out for a meal !!!
your a saint

do not give in and let niece in dd bedroom No No
she will never forgive you for invading her privacy
you have in a way already done that with your kids home

Regarding Xmas , GO AWAY(if you can afford it)
wether that be mil or even a premier in in another city for 2/3. Days. Get away
tell her NOW you won’t be home at Xmas you’ve been invited out. And your GOING

ive never know anyone to get a council house in a year , people have been on housing list for 10 yrs and not got one.
another thing there NOT HOMELESS
they live with you in a house

start speaking your mind with your sister and defend yourself and kids in your own house

personally I’d be say
it’s not working out and you have to go in 2 mths at the very most so sort something out

why are they not renting?
do they both work ?

Dinoteeth · 26/10/2022 00:07

@tamarvin Your definitely not in the wrong for wanting your bit of family time. That's so important for you and your kids.

6 years is a long time, but in other ways it's not. Your kids were so young. In some ways having a woman in the house will be hitting home what they are missing out on. They'll be a million and one mum questions in their heads.

I initially thought your DD should share but actually other suggestions of the couple in the living room and your Dneice in the bedroom makes more sense. Providing she doesn't mind sharing with little brother. He definitely needs a space in a bedroom as he is presumably first in bed. But sharing with him doesn't solve the issue of where she studies.

OverCCCs · 26/10/2022 00:07

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 22:19

@OverCCCs
I think most people would argue from a safeguarding perspective, it’s better to have two teens of about the same age share a room than to have one sleeping out in the open without a locking door.

Safety from whom? Is there a sex predator in the house?

Couldn’t there be? The stats on sexual assaults in families would certainly suggest that it’s a possibility. I don’t know OP from Adam, and the idea of a young teenage girl in nightwear sleeping out in the open while a young male who is not part of her immediate family would have every excuse to be in her vicinity while she’s asleep certainly makes me uncomfortable.

Everyone deserves the right to feel secure while they’re sleeping, and I don’t see how a 14 year old female can feel secure in that scenario.

2pinkginsplease · 26/10/2022 00:08

Your house your rules. You and your childrens happiness comes first, if your sister doesn’t like it then she can move out. Do not let her dictate how you and your children live your lives.

I think you have a heart of gold , there is no way I’d ever have a sibling and their family living with us, I like my quiet home and need time away from chaos.

freefromthattoxicmess · 26/10/2022 00:10

Yes the teenage daughter needs privacy.

Her parents should swap with her, they can go in the front room. Problem solved.

saraclara · 26/10/2022 00:11

Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed.

I bet it is. And there's another eight months to go.
Please, PLEASE put your children first. Your sister totally crossed a line saying that you shouldn't take your own children out for some quality time with you, just once a week. Really, how dare she?

It's not working and you need to tell her so. It's your home, and your children's home. She didn't get to tell you how to live your life, and you and your kids shouldn't be feeling that your home is being taken over by her.

MsRosley · 26/10/2022 00:12

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 25/10/2022 18:56

OMG, ask them to leave.

They sound like they think it’s their house.

Absolutely agree.

saraclara · 26/10/2022 00:14

It also appalls me that it's you and your kids that have to vacate your home in order to have a nice Christmas. Can they not go to their own kids' grandparents?

EL8888 · 26/10/2022 00:20

Booklover3 · 25/10/2022 22:44

I think your sister is taking the piss.

If you had written about you wife in your OP then I don’t think ANYONE would be saying your DD should share her room. Im very sorry for your loss.

I don’t think your daughter should share her room.

They can sod off regarding you eating out.

They ought to be happy that they are safe, well and that you are housing them.

Cheeky Fuckers.

This. It’s not their house, it’s your house and you’re doing them a massive favour. They need to be more grateful and less grabby / demanding. In your daughters shoes then l wouldn’t want to share a room either. The dinner out is none of their business

Watzzap · 26/10/2022 00:21

Your sister thinks “that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys”? 🤔 She is probably right…so when are they moving out?

Honestly, she should be very grateful that you have taken them in, and should keep her mouth shut, rather than complain! I presume they aren’t paying rent to you, to cover all the extra costs of gas, electricity, water? If she can’t afford a takeaway for her family in these circumstances, how are they going to be able to afford to live, when they have to pay rent, council tax, utility bills etc., when they do get a house?

Goldpaw · 26/10/2022 00:22

You are being very kind, OP. Don't budge on your daughter and her room. If your sister has a problem then she and her family can find somewhere to rent for a year (or more!).

At any point you can tell her it's not working for you and that six months is as long as you can house her.

BitossiBlues · 26/10/2022 00:22

OverCCCs · 26/10/2022 00:07

Couldn’t there be? The stats on sexual assaults in families would certainly suggest that it’s a possibility. I don’t know OP from Adam, and the idea of a young teenage girl in nightwear sleeping out in the open while a young male who is not part of her immediate family would have every excuse to be in her vicinity while she’s asleep certainly makes me uncomfortable.

Everyone deserves the right to feel secure while they’re sleeping, and I don’t see how a 14 year old female can feel secure in that scenario.

Are you suggesting that the OP's 11 year old son is going to molest his 14 year old cousin? The 11 year old is in his own house. If he's in her vicinity, it's because her useless parents are occupying his house, and using the bedroom that the 14 year old girl could be using if they weren't selfishly keeping it for themselves. If they share your concerns about this 11 year old boy being a potential sexual predator, then they need to leave and take whatever accommodation they can afford or the temporary accommodation available from the council.

I'm sure you are aware that, statistically, if the 14 year old is going to be molested by anybody, it would be her own father.

Crumpleton · 26/10/2022 00:23

saraclara · 26/10/2022 00:14

It also appalls me that it's you and your kids that have to vacate your home in order to have a nice Christmas. Can they not go to their own kids' grandparents?

This....
It always amazes me that when kindness and a helping hand is offered people rip the piss out of it.
It's a big thing letting your sister her husband and kids share your home....but for goodness sake never feel you should have to leave it to them for any length time.

SkylightSkylight · 26/10/2022 00:29

@tamarvin

I'm so sorry to hear about your wife.

This situation though, i think it's a bit of both to be truthful. You have allowed them to stay, but you don't sound very welcoming. you should also have discussed things first.

At 14, it wouldn't have occurred to me to refuse to share with my cousin. I'm sure the cousin didn't decide to become homeless, now she's not wanted by your daughter. Why are you allowing your daughter to be so hurtful & rude?

no one needs to sleep in the communal space & not have their own space for a year.

As for the weekly takeaway, I think you're being extremely unpleasant to your sister & her family. You could have discussed this with her & found a compromise. There are several options that don't mark her kids out as the 'have nots' the poor relations. I couldn't treat my own kids & leave my nieces & nephew out. (Nor my brother & his wife). If you can't afford to treat the whole (extended) family, then why not do that fortnightly & have a fake sway the other week? If you're taking your kids out to eat every week surely that would cover a takeaway for you all anyway?

As for Christmas, can you not just plan something fun for your kids & sister (&family ) at home this year. You can go to your wife's family next year.

at the very least tell your Sister now that you're going away & they can have the house to themselves over Christmas.

if you didn't want them to stay you should have said do, not told them they could stay for a year, then made them feel unwelcome.

your sister has been bold with you, but you shouldn't have put her in the position of feeling unwelcome.

MadelineUsher · 26/10/2022 00:32

Oh my goodness, a year. You are a saint! Do not let them bully you into sacrificing your daughter's privacy and sanctuary from this bombardment of other people. None of what you wrote that you wanted to do and maintain in your OP was unreasonable. Your sister is unreasonable, demanding, and entitled. A meal once a week away from them and she's wanting that stopped.

saraclara · 26/10/2022 00:36

As for the weekly takeaway, I think you're being extremely unpleasant to your sister & her family. You could have discussed this with her & found a compromise.

WHAT?? Are you serious? That is the ONLY time that OP and his kids get time alone together..And they desperately need it because their house had been taken over.

It's not remotely unpleasant to take one's own kids out of this crowded house once a week, and it's absolutely none of his sister's business.

MadelineUsher · 26/10/2022 00:40

As for the weekly takeaway, I think you're being extremely unpleasant to your sister & her family. You could have discussed this with her & found a compromise.

His sister, whose entire family he is hosting for free for a fecking year, in a house suitable for four, not seven?

He already found a thoughtful compromise in his family's usual once a week takeaway at home meal, by going out with his kids so as not to rub it in his sister's face.

Maybe he should move himself and his family into a skip bin and let his sister's family have the run of the house, do you think?

Crumpleton · 26/10/2022 00:40

your sister has been bold with you, but you shouldn't have put her in the position of feeling unwelcome

TBF we don't know if the OP willingly said yes or his sister kept on and just wouldn't let it go leaving him feeling he had no choice but to move in.

MigsandTiggs · 26/10/2022 00:44

@tamarvin
OP, six years since losing a loved one/mum is nothing as there is no timescale for grieving. Please don't let your DD feel guilty for not wanting to share her room, or give up on your special family time together with your DC.

I used to work in LA housing years ago and unless the rules have changed, your DS and BIL might not necessarily be classed as homeless; they are living in your house and you have not given them formal notice to leave.

Your priority must be to establish their position on the housing list as there are situations when Councils are not legally required to house the homeless but only to help find housing.

This Shelter info might be helpful in understanding the 3 conditions that have to be met in order be classed as legally homeless. Good luck OP, you're a better person than I.

ihatethefuckingmuffin · 26/10/2022 00:45

“As for the weekly takeaway, I think you're being extremely unpleasant to your sister & her family. You could have discussed this with her & found a compromise.”

The sister and her dh could do the same as the op is doing with his children. Once a week spending quality time together as their family unit doing something they enjoy.
Tjey are already spending 6 days a week together as a massive unit.

The op did find a compromise and takes his children out of the house for a meal. Still not good enough for her though.

How many more compromises should be and his children make? When is it time for his sister to make a compromise and give up their room to allow their dd privacy?

FaazoHuyzeoSix · 26/10/2022 00:57

You can't live like this for a year. You need to give them 2 weeks notice to leave - this will whack them up to the top of the priority list for being rehomed. At the moment the council will be considering them as adequately housed and there is no point prolonging the situation. It's not like living like this for a year would make them move up a waiting list, it doesn't work like that. They will only get priority for housing when they have no other options so you need to help them by removing the option to keep living in this unsuitable way.

hellosunshineagainxxx · 26/10/2022 01:02

BaronessBomburst · 25/10/2022 19:04

Your daughter needs her space. Don't force her to share a room.
You and your children need quality time together as a family. It's completely reasonable to take your children out to eat once a week.
Your sister is responsible for her own fuck-ups and most certainly doesn't get to dictate to you in your own house.

This

Blowthemandown · 26/10/2022 01:03

@tamarvin don’t go away leaving them in your house; they will take over. They should
be more grateful.

ImustLearn2Cook · 26/10/2022 01:05

@tamarvin Stay strong and keep maintaining your healthy boundaries.

Your sister and her dh and kids are guests in your home. They should be showing you appreciation and respect, not making extra demands.

BadNomad · 26/10/2022 01:08

I don't think it's right that a teenage girl has no privacy, but forcing your daughter to share with her won't solve that. Neither of them will have privacy then. So I think your sister and DH should either swap with her, let her share their room, or ask the boys if they fancy sleeping downstairs then niece can have their room. The food issue isn't an issue. You're compromising enough by eating out of the house.

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