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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
Calandor · 25/10/2022 21:57

I think your sister is being very ungrateful. You're generous enough to let them stay you certainly don't need to buy them food or sacrifice special times with your children. She needs to realise you're doing her a favour and she's in your house.

If she's that bothered about niece she and her husband can sleep in the lounge and give their room up.

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 21:58

I’ve read all your posts OP, but not the whole thread.

I have to say your sister is being an ungrateful cheeky fucker about everything. No you should not force your DD to share her room. No you should not stop with the dinners out.

I would have asked her to leave when she said this My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. As she’s implying that either you or your 11yo son is likely to “barge in” and what? Be a peeking Tom? Assault her DD? Privacy is easily solved by the curtain you suggested and anyone going downstairs of an evening calling out before entering the room (you said open plan so assuming no door to knock on).

I don’t think you will last a year. I think you need to discuss with sister and her husband that they should go homeless and get temporary council accommodation or look to rent privately. You’ve done 4 months, that is fantastic by itself.

OurChristmasMiracle · 25/10/2022 21:59

Whilst the situation is far from ideal for your sister and her kids, your children also need time and space to grieve the loss of their mother- im sure there will be times they miss their mum no matter how long it’s been- my dad died when I was very young and even at 15 it would hit me- in fact it still does and I’m an adult but I have my own safe space. Please don’t remove that.

The only alone time you now get to fully check in with your kids and how they are doing is once a week when you eat out- so no I wouldn’t be stopping that either.

I think your sister needs to approach the council as homeless and you need to kick her out so she can get put in temporary accommodation because until she is she won’t be considered a priority and will be living with you for years

TheCurseOfBoris · 25/10/2022 21:59

This is your hill to die on OP. Do not make your DD share her room. She's already suffered enough with losing her Mum. Do not sacrifice your meals out, it's very precious time you'll get to spend with your DC.
How dare your sister dictate arrangements when you've been so generous.

What's going on OP? I feel that there is more to this. Why did you agree to this?Did they pressure you?

What is their plan going forward? What is going to change for them?

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 25/10/2022 22:00

pictish · 25/10/2022 21:43

We don’t know anything other than his wife has passed.
Let’s not start swooning over the OP hey?

It’s not really on for a 14 yr old girl to be camped out in in the living room for a year while everyone else has a bed, a place to get changed, a place to cry, a place to hide. Even if they have to share that space, it’s not in a communal bloody area. No one can live like that for long.

Come on OP, they have to find a place of their own. A year? What were they thinking? Counting on council property becoming available sometime in the future is naive at very best.
Call a meeting. Figure it out.

People aren't swooning.

It doesn't matter how long it's been, it's going to be tough for those children no matter how long it's been. It's the exact time of my life as a teenage girl where I needed my mother.

fruktsoda · 25/10/2022 22:00

Your sister is being massively unreasonable. You and your children have been extremely generous to allow your family to live with you (for possibly a year?!), but this arrangement can only work if you sister and her family respect your boundaries.

Your daughter shouldn't be forced to give up her room. (Your niece wouldn't exactly have "privacy" if she were sharing a room with your daughter, anyway...) A curtain is a good idea, with a strict rule that the boys aren't allowed to barge through without asking first. If they break the rule, they face negative consequences. Eventually they'll lose interest.

You absolutely deserve time with just you and your kids, whether that means eating out, going to the cinema, or taking a walk alone. If your sister doesn't like that, she can find somewhere else to live.

I'd put it as bluntly as that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/10/2022 22:01

I agreed they could stay for a year at most. They've been here for 4 months, so 8 months left

If you're hoping that year will give the council "time to sort something" I'd think again - as so many have said they'll do nothing whatsoever because the family's being housed and it'll be deemed not their problem

katepilar · 25/10/2022 22:02

I dont understand why the children are in the lounge. It should be the parents.

Addicted2LoveIsland · 25/10/2022 22:02

Anyway if sister is so bothered she and hub can camp out in the sitting room and she can have their room. That seems to be the most reasonable. They should be making the sacrifice for their child.

bewarethetides · 25/10/2022 22:03

I'd tell your sister to get to fuck.

You are putting a roof over her and her 3 children's heads free of charge while she waits for housing. If she feels her daughter should have more privacy, then she can go out an pay for such privacy on her own back, not yours. Ditto for eating out or take out.

Namechangeoctober22 · 25/10/2022 22:06

daretodenim · 25/10/2022 20:37

I didn't know your children had lost their mother.

I cannot believe that your DD shouldn't go out for dinner with you and her brother because it's rubbing her cousins' nose in the fact they can't, yet your DD having to watch her cousin interact with her mother, in her home somehow isn't rubbing her nose in the fact she lost her mother?!!

Your Sis needs to be spoken to and quickly. This is appalling.

I hadn't thought of this, it's heartbreaking.

Untitledsquatboulder · 25/10/2022 22:07

Maybe the OP could offer her niece the cupboard under the stairs?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/10/2022 22:10

Untitledsquatboulder · 25/10/2022 22:07

Maybe the OP could offer her niece the cupboard under the stairs?

Maybe the OP's sister and her husband could take responsibility for the housing of their own children rather than freeloading off him?

PinkStarAtNight · 25/10/2022 22:10

Jellybean23 · 25/10/2022 21:29

PinkStarAtNight, do you actually realise OP's daughter has lost her mother? She's 13, her body is changing, she wants privacy, she is in a far different situation to her cousin who has both parents. Losing a mother has a profound effect on a young girl.
Sister and family need to be asked to leave.

The niece is 14, HER body is changing, she wants HER privacy...its the exact same reasons, surely they BOTH need privacy and its up to the adults to find a way to make this happen. Why not put the two young boys downstairs?

I understand that OP has lost his wife and his children have lost their mother, and that's terrible. Yes, her cousin is not in the same situation. But she IS in a situation where she has just been made homeless and her family have very little money, which is also a very hard thing to deal with at 14. This girl has to go to school and explain why her family now lives with her uncle, she has to go through pubity and all the teenage angst whilst sleeping in a communal area. The complete lack of empathy for this, and attitude of 'well her parents should deal with it if they're that bothered' wouldn't be how I would feel towards my niece.

I understand all the comments about putting your children first, if these people weren't family. I just think its a bit of a cold attitude to have towards family. I can't imagine thinking of/talking about my family like this. I would see the needs of all of the children involved as equal and try to find a way to make it work for everyone. And I don't see how the weekly meals out are necessary. Surely this could be changed to monthly, and therefore include everyone? As for quality time alone - find some other way to spend time together alone, something that doesn't rub it in the faces of niece and nephew that they are the poor cousins who get left behind when the rich cousins go out for dinner.. Its like a Jane Austen novel!

If OP wanted to put his children first, he shouldn't have agreed to have his sister stay in the first place. If you agree to let someone stay, you agree to welcome them and accept that you will be inconvenienced.

ElegantlyTouched · 25/10/2022 22:13

OverCCCs · 25/10/2022 20:07

I’m going to disagree with most of the other posters and say I feel that it’s you and your daughter who have been acting horribly here. Your sister and her family were on the brink of homelessness and you can’t come up with another weekly bonding activity to do with your kids that doesn’t rub in your sister’s family’s face on a weekly basis that they are poor? Go for a walk, go to a free event, be creative. Sneaking out for a meal and then expecting your relatives not to realize you aren’t eating dinner when they’re in dire financial straights is atrocious manners.

This is a perfect learning opportunity to teach your daughter about compassion and not being a selfish and spoiled princess. Sure, lots of teens like their private space. I bet her cousin liked whatever private space she used to have before her family lost their home. I think most people would argue from a safeguarding perspective, it’s better to have two teens of about the same age share a room than to have one sleeping out in the open without a locking door. Put your niece’s safety and comfort above your daughter’s teenage self-centeredness and let her share the bedroom.

Considering OP's daughter has lost her mother I think she's allowed to be a bit selfish.

Tbh OP I don't think you should have agreed in the first place. But good fir you for standing up for your children.

BitossiBlues · 25/10/2022 22:13

Untitledsquatboulder · 25/10/2022 22:07

Maybe the OP could offer her niece the cupboard under the stairs?

Maybe the niece's freeloading parents could step up and look after their daughter's needs by giving her their bedroom.

Maybe you could read the thread and realise the OP is a male, a widower and someone who is already making a hugely generous sacrifice to accommodate his sister and her family at the expense of his children and their routine and wellbeing.

iRun2eatCake · 25/10/2022 22:14

No way would l make my child share their personal space with someone else unless they wanted too. It's bad enough their home has been invaded ... let alone their only private area.

Plus, if you want to eat out with your DC - why shouldn't you!!

I think this is going to be a very long 8 months and l don't think they will leave willingly.

If you do go away, put a lock on your DD door as the neice may use it otherwise.

Could an area downstairs be curtained off and the parents sleep there? After all it's their child who is upset
.... why should your family be the one's making all the sacrifices.

Think you need to remind them who's house it is as your DS is seriously overstepping and you are in danger of becoming a guest in your own home.

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 22:15

@PinkStarAtNight
The niece is 14, HER body is changing, she wants HER privacy...its the exact same reasons, surely they BOTH need privacy and its up to the adults to find a way to make this happen. Why not put the two young boys downstairs?

But the boys are also in puberty at age 10 and 11? (Age range is 9-14 for boys). Their bodies are changing as well, do they not get any privacy?

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 22:16

I would put the parents in a tent in the garden.

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 25/10/2022 22:16

Apologies for the tone of my post. I missed some of your posts.
I hope , sincerely, that you can get a resolution to your issue.
All good wishes.

Isaidnoalready · 25/10/2022 22:17

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 22:15

@PinkStarAtNight
The niece is 14, HER body is changing, she wants HER privacy...its the exact same reasons, surely they BOTH need privacy and its up to the adults to find a way to make this happen. Why not put the two young boys downstairs?

But the boys are also in puberty at age 10 and 11? (Age range is 9-14 for boys). Their bodies are changing as well, do they not get any privacy?

They chose to share

Familydilemmas · 25/10/2022 22:17

Haven’t read the full thread but have read all of OP’s posts.

Your sister is being ridiculous. The weekly dinner out is your family time and needed more than ever.

A solution for your niece could be that she gets the 4th bedroom and her parents sleep in the lounge. It is totally unfair to expect your daughter to share.

Whilst you are being kind giving them a roof over their head, you will be slowing down the housing application. They are adequately housed and so won’t get priority until you kick them out or give them notice of that effect which I suggest you do.

geraniumsandsunshine · 25/10/2022 22:19

@OP where were they living before? It doesn't seem ideal, especially as there were 3 people before and they now outnumber you. Am I right that 5 additional people have joined the household? This would break me. No wonder your daughter is stressed.

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 22:19

@OverCCCs
I think most people would argue from a safeguarding perspective, it’s better to have two teens of about the same age share a room than to have one sleeping out in the open without a locking door.

Safety from whom? Is there a sex predator in the house?

2020nymph · 25/10/2022 22:20

Firstly, I'm so sorry to read about your late wife, this must be incredibly tough for you all.

Absolutely keep the family meal out, it's important to keep your family traditions going. They also get some quality family time and it's good for the two families to get a break.

It does feel hard for your niece but I agree your sister should be giving up their room. Also more practical for personal schedules assuming they stay up later.

Left field option, do you have space for a reasonable size tent in your open plan space which could be a bedroom for your niece which would at least give her some privacy.

Finally, has your sister got a plan for what they will do when the year is up?

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