Who's wrong? (pics included)

[autienotnaughty]

Hi wondering if you can clear this up for me.

So to set the scene. Busy road with a doctors on one side and school on the other. It's a 30 limit. Car A is going too fast for the situation but not necessarily over speed limit. Possibly 25-35. Car B is infront of Car A. Car B indicates left and starts to pull round. Car A pulls around Car B as it turns. At the same time Car C pulls out, Car C can see car B but can not see any cars behind Car B. Car C thinks when Car B turns left it has time to turn its self. Car A hits Car C.
Car A says Car C is at fault as he should not have turned when the view was blocked.
Car C says Car A is at fault as he was driving too fast and should not have over took Car B.

Who's at fault?

Pictures

Car A

although if going through insurance it will probably be split liability for car A and car C

Car C.

Technically Car C, because they were the one pulling out. But Car A should be just as responsible (but won't be). If there's a school opposite, wouldn't the speed limit be 20mph?

Car C at fault. It pulled out into traffic, should have waited until they could see the road was clear

I think it depends where the hit is, but A should have been driving slow enough/left a big enough gap to stop.

But C shouldn't have pulled out without checking and if in fact C hit the side of A, definitely C.

But yeah probably both.

I don't know officially but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to overtake at junctions.

There are many busy 30mph roads you'd never be able to turn out onto from a side road if you didn't go when a car was turning in. Generally all the main road cars have slowed down so that car B can turn off so it's safe to go because car B has slowed and blocked the 30mph road traffic creating a chance for car C to pull out.

Both at fault, for insurance purposes.

Car A has priority as already on main road. But is (unwisely and dangerously) overtaking by a junction so on the wrong side of the road.

Car C should have been able to see Car A, or been 100% sure there was no oncoming traffic behind before starting manoeuvre.

In my opinion Car A is the wrong at, because their actions created a danger. But for insurance I suspect it would be 50-50.

I'd say both C and A!

A had no need to go out and around car B turning, apart from if they were going too fast and unable to brake (an issue in itself!). Car C should also have waited to have a clear view of the road, however they would have seen car B turning and a gap for them to emerge so it would have seemed safe to pull out, not expecting a speeding car A to pull around car B.

Car C. They should not have pulled out onto the road when they could not see that it was clear (which it wasn't)

C

A. Speeding and overtaking at a junction.

As C looked right, A wouldn't have been in their sight if they were already moved out to overtake.

Car A should have been behind Car B, not pulling round it ( ? onto the other side of the road) If Car A had actually slowed down and waited an extra second or so for Car B to turn left then Car C would have got safely out of the junction.

Yep, Car C is most obviously at fault but Car A is a plonker too for being so impatient they couldn’t wait for Car B to turn left. And it could be argued Car A are partially at fault for overtaking and crossing into the other carriageway that wasn’t clear of traffic as presumably they couldn’t see Car C as much as Car C couldn’t see Car A. It may well go down as 50-50 fault.

From an insurance pov C. Though A's manner of driving did play a role in it.

I would have thought car C, especially if they've admitted they pulled out without being able to see what was coming. It's unusual to have the time to pull out when an oncoming car is coming around a corner, it's not an unusual situation for another car to be right behind them or tailgating, and so car C shouldn't have pulled out. Car A was silly and wrong to do what they did but I don't think they are going to be found at fault in this accident because it was car C's responsibility to check the road was clear. This illustrates why your premiums go up even if the accident wasn't officially classed as your fault.

Car C is wholly responsible for the crash. You shouldn’t pull out til you can see the way is clear.

If Car A was speeding they were guilty of speeding, that’s all.

Car A & C both did wrong but A caused the accident imo.

Car A - should not overtake another car while it is turning left into a side road - you wait until its gone, who even does this??
Car C does not turn left under any circumstances until the view is clear. They couldn't see the road was clear so should not have assumed it would be.

Ask yourself this

but for the actions of car A would there have been a crash?

Car A is a plonker but that’s why you need to look properly when you’re turning into a road, the world is full of plonkers and Car C should have waited to make sure they had a proper view of the road.

Car C is at fault. Car A had the right of way. Car C should have waited until they could see if the way was clear before pulling out and have given way to Car A.

It is irrelevant what speed Car C assumes Car A were doing. Car C still should have given way.

Joint liability. A shouldn’t have been an idiot and should have more patience, C pulled out onto oncoming traffic.

would this accident have happened if A wasn’t being so impatient?

Highway Code

"Rule 167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
• approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road"

Ask yourself the same for car C?

Car A was on the wrong side of the carriage way

they did not have right of way when they crossed that central line