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Who's wrong? (pics included)

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autienotnaughty · 25/10/2022 09:00

Hi wondering if you can clear this up for me.

So to set the scene. Busy road with a doctors on one side and school on the other. It's a 30 limit. Car A is going too fast for the situation but not necessarily over speed limit. Possibly 25-35. Car B is infront of Car A. Car B indicates left and starts to pull round. Car A pulls around Car B as it turns. At the same time Car C pulls out, Car C can see car B but can not see any cars behind Car B. Car C thinks when Car B turns left it has time to turn its self. Car A hits Car C.
Car A says Car C is at fault as he should not have turned when the view was blocked.
Car C says Car A is at fault as he was driving too fast and should not have over took Car B.

Who's at fault?

OP posts:
notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 10:36

Watapalava · 25/10/2022 10:27

See I look at the image and see the crash happening with A in the wrong lane

C is pulling out into correct lane

A in the image is overtaking so has moved into wrong lane

A is an idiot

If A was overtaking and on the other side of the carriageway, C wouldn't have hit them because C would have been in the correct lane. Therefore A was not overtaking, was in their correct lane, and C pulled out without due care and attention. Logic.

Crotonifolia · 25/10/2022 10:37

Car C pulled into traffic on the main road, they should have waited until they had a clear view after car B had turned. Driver A was also driving too quickly, but that doesn't take away that car C moved into their path.

Clymene · 25/10/2022 10:37

Christ it's absolutely terrifying how many people think they can pull out of a junction without being absolutely certain the road is clear.

No wonder there's so many accidents.

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 10:39

@LucilleBallsy The answers here are totally crackers, aren't they?

fromdownwest · 25/10/2022 10:39

Car C - Pulled out without a certainty of a clear road. Yes Car A should not have overtaken, what if it had been a cyclist of a motorcycle filtering?

BadNomad · 25/10/2022 10:41

Car A was being a knob, but the onus was on car C to make sure the road was empty, or traffic had stopped, or there was enough distance to complete their manoeuvre safely before they joined the main road.

fromdownwest · 25/10/2022 10:42

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 10:30

Car A should not of [HAVE]overtaken at junction

There is no law about overtaking someone turning left. (Car A would have been able to see oncoming traffic.)

I don't know why posters keep saying you can't overtake at a junction. That's not what this shows. It's a junction on the left of the main road.

It's completely acceptable to overtake the vehicle in front, at any time, but you need to 'read the road'.

The driver of Car A ought to have considered traffic emerging from the next junction, but there is no question that Car C was in the wrong.

They pulled out, unsighted, when they didn't have right of way.

Correct, one can overtake at a junction, as long as it is safe to do so.
And the obvs no give way markers or double white lines.

FixTheBone · 25/10/2022 10:42

Car C. shouldn't have pulled out without sight of the road, was at a give way, didn't have priority.

Others have said car A was on the wrong side of the carriageway - if that were true, they wouldn't have hit car C, unless car C is also on the wrong side, so at fault again.

Pragmatically this will be either split, or, come down to some technicality or who is most convincing if it gets argued.

CrochetIsCool · 25/10/2022 10:43

Car C for pulling out when they couldn't see their way was clear. That said driver of Car A is an absolute dick for overtaking in these circumstances and for speeding. They couldn't see their way was clear either, lucky it was another car and not a pedestrian.

Blackalice · 25/10/2022 10:44

Car C as they were at give way and did not ascertain it was clear. They should have given way to car A

Namechange1345677 · 25/10/2022 10:45

Car C is in the wrong. A is being a knob but C shouldn't have pulled out not being able to see

OnaBegonia · 25/10/2022 10:46

Car C is at fault, Car A has every right to overtake Car B, Car C should not pull out until road is clear.

DrFoxtrot · 25/10/2022 10:46

Car C for reasons mentioned by PP. What if someone had been crossing the road or a cyclist was there? Car C should not pull out without being sure the road is clear.

mrshoho · 25/10/2022 10:47

Car C. At a give way junction you are responsible to make sure the road is clear. That means waiting until you can see it is clear. Car A was a dick but that's life on our roads.

amicissimma · 25/10/2022 10:48

It doesn't look as if A was 'overtaking', but simply going round the back of B, which is the correct thing to do. It may have been necessary to move slightly off a straight line to do so, but, provided it didn't obstruct oncoming traffic, there would be nothing wrong with that. In fact, doing so may have given the driver of C a slightly better view of A.

C is wrong. It's not OK to pull out into the path of traffic with right of way. 'I didn't see you' is no excuse, as many a motorcyclist and cyclist (those that survive) is aware. It is a driver's responsibility to look properly and ensure that the path ahead is clear.

Watapalava · 25/10/2022 10:49

But it’s not clear where the crash happened

by the pic it look to me that they hit in the correct lane for C but the wrong lane for A as that car was in the wrong lane due to over taking?

car A basically moved into the oncoming traffic lane and car C hit them there - not whilst A was in left lane

LondonQueen · 25/10/2022 10:51

Car C will likely be held at fault for insurance purposes, but may settle 50/50 with Car A and Car C. In reality Car A was going too fast and overtook on a junction, however Car C shouldn't have pulled out.

Watapalava · 25/10/2022 10:51

If you look at the image, car A is fully out in the oncoming traffic lane

Cuck00soup · 25/10/2022 10:52

Are you car C OP?

It's sounds like A was driving badly but ultimately C is at fault. Sorry if you were hoping for different answers.

bettbburg · 25/10/2022 10:56

Was it car A or car C who went over the line to the wrong side of the road ?

Itsagrandoldteam · 25/10/2022 10:56

Car C is most definitely at fault, they pulled out into an oncoming car. I'm struggling to understand how car C thinks that car A was travelling too fast, but also claims that they didn't see car A - it can't be both.

That being said it sounds like car A was driving like an arsehole, but it's still car C's fault.

GoGoose · 25/10/2022 10:58

Car D

No wait, Cardi B. Or Mel C.

No. Snoop Dogg was driving!

ChronicOverthinkr · 25/10/2022 11:03

Car C. Don’t pull out from a side road without a clear view 🤷🏽‍♀️
Car A was being a bit of a dickhead (and were they properly in their lane?) but I don’t think did anything illegal unless definitely over the speed limit.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 25/10/2022 11:06

I’d say car A and car C.
A wouldn’t have needed to swerve to avoid hitting B if he hadn’t been driving too fast and too close.
Car C had a restricted view due to car B turning into the road, the driver should have waited until the road was clear before pulling out.

Floydthebarber · 25/10/2022 11:07

Car c. If they could not see down the road clearly they should not have pulled out. The cars on the main road have the priority, cars joining give way to them.

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