Who's wrong? (pics included)

[autienotnaughty]

Hi wondering if you can clear this up for me.

So to set the scene. Busy road with a doctors on one side and school on the other. It's a 30 limit. Car A is going too fast for the situation but not necessarily over speed limit. Possibly 25-35. Car B is infront of Car A. Car B indicates left and starts to pull round. Car A pulls around Car B as it turns. At the same time Car C pulls out, Car C can see car B but can not see any cars behind Car B. Car C thinks when Car B turns left it has time to turn its self. Car A hits Car C.
Car A says Car C is at fault as he should not have turned when the view was blocked.
Car C says Car A is at fault as he was driving too fast and should not have over took Car B.

Who's at fault?

A was being a knob, but C shouldn't have pulled out before checking the road was clear. So I'd say both, but probably slightly erring towards C

Any dash cam? I think C was at fault but the ins will try to go 50/50

Car C

I think this too from once having been in a slightly similar position to car C.

In my case Car B wasn't turning but was coming to rest because they were in a queue and left a gap for me to come out for a right turn and car A was overtaking the whole queue to turn right at those lights. But insurance still said I was responsible because I was joining traffic.

So even if car C thinks car A was being an impatient dick I still think insurance will say otherwise

I imagine that the Highway Code also says not to pull out from a side road if you can not see that the way is clear.

Car A was on the wrong side of the carriage way

not necessarily.

Car C. They pulled out of a junction without ensuring the road was clear.

A wasn't necessarily over the speed limit and they didnt cross a solid line.

Car C. They pulled out at a junction without checking it was clear. They should have waited for B to complete their turn if they couldn't see properly.

Both to blame. This falls under split liability. If it went to court you would very likely both likely be held liable as both were in the wrong, however could be 30/70, 40/60 etc, so not one may be more at fault than the other. One driver pulled out when it wasn't clear, another overtook at a junction when it clearly wasn't safe to do so.

Which one were you? I hope b!

My initial reaction was C, as it’s turning onto the main road, but it wouldn’t expect a car on the wrong side of the road. I think if I was C I’d be looking, seeing a car turning and that it was therefore clear.

To add, A might not have been on the wrong side of the road, but was still in an unexpected place.

Thinking about it, I don't see how A could have been that close behind B for C not to see them, but also doing that much speed, if B slowed to turn the corner

Car C. They were joining the traffic.

Fess up OP! Which car were you?

Car C. You shouldn't pull out at a junction if you can't see the road is clear.

Car A shouldn't have overtaken but they weren't the ones coming out of a side road into traffic.

Jointly A and C, A should not have been going round B as they turned, but C should have had a clear line of sight before pulling out.

OP must be C.
I think C is technically in the wrong. They would both have failed their driving test but A for being a dick and C for making a mistake.

100%

I would imagine Car C for sure. You have to make sure the road is clear before entering the carriageway. May get away with 50:50 if it can be shown Car A was speeding but either way I would say Car C was at fault

The Op doesn’t say that Car A was on the wrong side of the carriage way or that they had crossed that central line. Neither does the diagram show that.

However, I agree that Car A was wrong to overtake Car B as they were turning. They should have remained behind the vehicle until that vehicle had completed their turn. And I agree that Car A’s actions were dangerous.

However, Car C was joining the main road by pulling into it. They have to give way to any traffic that is on that road. They should have waited until they had a clear view and given way.

@BattleOfPastings how do you know they were on the wrong side of the carriageway?

On lots of roads, you can overtake slightly while staying on your side of the road.

Technically it will be car C in the wrong for insurance purposes because they didn't have a clear enough view.
But I think we've all been stuck at junctions for a while and chanced it when we've seen someone indicating and slowing the traffic down a bit.

Pretty sure we all agree car A was driving like a bellend though.
You say the limit was 30 but they were going between 25-35, so speeding, as a PP rightly said it is usually a 20 zone by schools.
And they were overtaking a car turning because they were impatient and twatish, they could have just slowed down.

Car C is at fault. Car A turned when the oncoming traffic was paused due to the car turning. Car A would not have been able to see Car C maneuvering around car B and if car C had been moving at a sensible speed for overtaking on the wrong side of the road (at a junction) they would have seen car A in time to stop. In fact they should not have moved back into their own lane until they had confirmed it was safe to do so.

Sorry I confused my C's and A's there.