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Who's wrong? (pics included)

245 replies

autienotnaughty · 25/10/2022 09:00

Hi wondering if you can clear this up for me.

So to set the scene. Busy road with a doctors on one side and school on the other. It's a 30 limit. Car A is going too fast for the situation but not necessarily over speed limit. Possibly 25-35. Car B is infront of Car A. Car B indicates left and starts to pull round. Car A pulls around Car B as it turns. At the same time Car C pulls out, Car C can see car B but can not see any cars behind Car B. Car C thinks when Car B turns left it has time to turn its self. Car A hits Car C.
Car A says Car C is at fault as he should not have turned when the view was blocked.
Car C says Car A is at fault as he was driving too fast and should not have over took Car B.

Who's at fault?

OP posts:
viques · 25/10/2022 11:07

Where was A driving to that they needed to exceed the speed limit near a school and couldn’t wait for the few seconds for B to turn? Car Cwas very stupid to come out of the side road, but car A was driving recklessly imo.

fromdownwest · 25/10/2022 11:09

viques · 25/10/2022 11:07

Where was A driving to that they needed to exceed the speed limit near a school and couldn’t wait for the few seconds for B to turn? Car Cwas very stupid to come out of the side road, but car A was driving recklessly imo.

All irrelevant when aportioning blame in a claim.

goldshimmerystar · 25/10/2022 11:10

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 10:30

And you'd prove this how?

If A was in the wrong side of the road, C would also have had to have been on the same side.
How would car C judge the speed of car A in those few brief seconds before impact? How could it be proven?

The last sentence of the OP says that car A ‘overtook ‘ car B (earlier described as ‘pulled around’) 🤷‍♀️

Fink · 25/10/2022 11:15

C was in the wrong. They pulled from a side road onto a main road without being able to see that it was clear (or not, as it turned out). A wasn't driving well, but it doesn't sound like they were driving sufficently badly to be held legally responsible whereas C definitely was. The insurance may well still split it though, they often do even when one person is obviously at fault.

girlmom21 · 25/10/2022 11:16

viques · 25/10/2022 11:07

Where was A driving to that they needed to exceed the speed limit near a school and couldn’t wait for the few seconds for B to turn? Car Cwas very stupid to come out of the side road, but car A was driving recklessly imo.

OP said they might not have been exceeding the speed limit, and for A to be doing that speed B must have been doing it too.

custardbear · 25/10/2022 11:17

I bloody hate drivers like A, they're a risk to people around them and they're selfish arses.
But car C should have waited to check it was clear IMO as they couldn't see behind car B so should have waited

kittensinthekitchen · 25/10/2022 11:17

Car C - they have responsibility to ensure the way is clear before they pull out.

Though car A is a dick too for 1) pulling around someone at a junction instead of being patient and 2) potentially speeding - even 30 is too fast if was school enter/leaving time (which I guess it was or why mention it was a school?)

And you're in the wrong, too, for waiting to hear our answers before admitting you are car C 😉

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 25/10/2022 11:18

I don't know why everyone is claiming car a was speeding when it was doing potentially 25 in a 30 zone.

The question is what part of car C hit what part of car A. Did the accident occur while C was still maneuvering or had they finished and the accident occurred because A moved back into the left hand lane. Unless C was straight on the carriageway they are at fault for starting a manoeuvre they could not complete.

LemonSwan · 25/10/2022 11:19

In reality it’s As fault,

In insurance land potentially C’s

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 11:22

There is no 'wrong side of the road' here . (Why posters keep saying this is a bit worrying.)

You can use both lanes of a road.
Unless there are double white lines, you can move from the left to the right, if your way is clear.

The 'wrong side of the road' is only relevant is a car overtakes and pulls into oncoming traffic and causes an accident.

It is absolutely crystal clear that CAR C is in the wrong.

It's a classic driving mistake.

Pulling out at a junction when being unsighted.

The speed of Car A is irrelevant. (Except as a speeding offence which is separate to the collision.)

The position of Car A is irrelevant.

The decision of Car C to emerge from a side road, when they were not 100% sure of what was coming from their right, is why there was a collision.

I am shocked at so many responses here and hope, to God, that if some of you are driving, you rethink your driving skills.

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 11:22

LemonSwan · 25/10/2022 11:19

In reality it’s As fault,

In insurance land potentially C’s

Do you drive @LemonSwan I sincerely hope your brush up your road sense.

cansu · 25/10/2022 11:23

Car c. Car a was already there. Looking at your picture the idea that they were overtaking is not so clear. It looks more like they moved very slightly as B turned. In any event it is up to car c to check the road is clear. How anyone can judge anyone else's speed is beyond me unless they were well above the speed limit. Sounds like c is looking for a way out.

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 11:24

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 25/10/2022 11:18

I don't know why everyone is claiming car a was speeding when it was doing potentially 25 in a 30 zone.

The question is what part of car C hit what part of car A. Did the accident occur while C was still maneuvering or had they finished and the accident occurred because A moved back into the left hand lane. Unless C was straight on the carriageway they are at fault for starting a manoeuvre they could not complete.

Car A has right of way.

You can't argue otherwise.

Car C should have only pulled out if the way was clear.

It wasn't because they didn't see car A. Even if Car A was speeding it doesn't make Car C in the right, because Car C should have been able to judge the speed of the oncoming car.

CalicoAnnie · 25/10/2022 11:25

How would car C know car A ‘overtook’ car B unless they actually saw it ? Which it obviously didn’t otherwise it wouldn’t have pulled out in front of it.

I think you are car C and are in the wrong.

poopaloobop · 25/10/2022 11:28

Car C officially but car A was being a tit

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 11:29

I am wondering which car was being driven by the OP @autienotnaughty

Always intriguing they never say!

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 25/10/2022 11:32

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 11:24

Car A has right of way.

You can't argue otherwise.

Car C should have only pulled out if the way was clear.

It wasn't because they didn't see car A. Even if Car A was speeding it doesn't make Car C in the right, because Car C should have been able to judge the speed of the oncoming car.

I think car c is to blame, the only exception would be if car c had pulled out, straightened up and was proceeding along the main road by the time car A hit, that isn't what the diagram shows though. I do think the op is car c and thinks car a was driving too fast for the situation and that the accident wouldn't have happened if car A was driving slower, that isn't how the rules work though and you can't expect people to drive at say 3 miles an hour to give you time to pull out.

Loics · 25/10/2022 11:32

Car C will get the blame for insurance purposes, but car A is the type of reckless driver that makes the roads more dangerous for those around them. They should have some sort of blame apportioned to them, but I doubt they will.

Namechangehereandnow · 25/10/2022 11:33

Car A is going too fast for the situation but not necessarily over speed limit. Possibly 25-35 … This statement is contradictory to begin with 🙄 Not over the speed limit but between 25-35 so over the speed limit 🤔🙄* *

CAR A made an illegal manoeuvre, at speed.
CAR C pulled out of a junction/give way which is automatically at fault.

BOTH are at fault and will likely settle 50/50 through insurance. BOTH drivers are idiots 🤷‍♀️

Appleblum · 25/10/2022 11:36

Car C

autienotnaughty · 25/10/2022 11:37

Istolethecookies · 25/10/2022 09:04

Technically Car C, because they were the one pulling out. But Car A should be just as responsible (but won't be). If there's a school opposite, wouldn't the speed limit be 20mph?

No restrictions at that time so a 30 limit.

OP posts:
Twillow · 25/10/2022 11:40

Car A possibly 35mph???
Why did car A overtake at a junction?

LucilleBallsy · 25/10/2022 11:40

This is a complete no-brainer.

The only way that Car C could be 'innocent' is if they had seen both Car B and Car A, and decided they had time to pull out safely before Car A hit them.

Even then, it wouldn't be much of a defence, unless there was a blind bend where Car A was hidden from view and was speeding in excess of the speed limit.

It's also totally impossible for anyone there to know the speed of any of those cars if you are talking about a 5-10 mph difference.

I think the OP is Car C and won't accept they made a mistake by pulling out .

Insurance companies will blame Car C and Car A will be right to claim to a car pulling out into their right of way.

TruffleShuffles · 25/10/2022 11:40

It’s 100% C at fault, they pulled out of a side road and hit a car who had right of way on the main road. Whatever car A was doing is irrelevant, it’s up to C to make sure the road they are joining is clear.

Blanketpolicy · 25/10/2022 11:41

C is definitely at fault, they knew (or if they didn't they shouldn't be driving at all!) they were taking a chance pulling out when B was blocking their view and they couldn't see if the road was clear.

A potentially at fault (definitely an idiot), depending on whether they overtook or just drove around the side of B.

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