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Who's wrong? (pics included)

245 replies

autienotnaughty · 25/10/2022 09:00

Hi wondering if you can clear this up for me.

So to set the scene. Busy road with a doctors on one side and school on the other. It's a 30 limit. Car A is going too fast for the situation but not necessarily over speed limit. Possibly 25-35. Car B is infront of Car A. Car B indicates left and starts to pull round. Car A pulls around Car B as it turns. At the same time Car C pulls out, Car C can see car B but can not see any cars behind Car B. Car C thinks when Car B turns left it has time to turn its self. Car A hits Car C.
Car A says Car C is at fault as he should not have turned when the view was blocked.
Car C says Car A is at fault as he was driving too fast and should not have over took Car B.

Who's at fault?

OP posts:
RiceRiceBaby16 · 25/10/2022 09:39

Officially I'd say car C is at fault but car A driving recklessly and is a douche. Have to drive cautiously because of drivers like car A unfortunately, car C should have had a better/ longer look to make sure there's no car after car B

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 09:43

Car C of course. Even if the speed of car A was slightly above £0mph it wouldn't be provable and it wouldn't be a factor. Car C has the responsibility not to pull out if their view is blocked by car B. I'm surprised Car C is even disputing this. The car emerging onto a main road must ensure it is clear. In this case it wasn't .

pinkolu · 25/10/2022 09:47

junglejane66 · 25/10/2022 09:04

Car C at fault. It pulled out into traffic, should have waited until they could see the road was clear

100% - why would you ever pull out a junction when you don't have a clear view.

Car B (in your drawing at least) looks like it was in the wrong if it's passed over the boundary of the junction. I also assume this is why Car A had to drive around it.

However in terms of the law/insurance car C is the one in the wrong

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 09:47

For people saying A was 'overtaking' at a junction, unless it was on the other side of the road it wasn't overtaking, it was just continuing its progress in the correct lane. You wouldn't be able to prove it was slightly over the white line, so that's not going to cut it. Unless there was clear dash cam evidence it would all be on car C. Many times I've carried on as a car turns into a junction and I'm not overtaking.

thelobsterquadrille · 25/10/2022 09:48

Car B (in your drawing at least) looks like it was in the wrong if it's passed over the boundary of the junction. I also assume this is why Car A had to drive around it.

Car B was turning into that junction?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 25/10/2022 09:48

Car C. Car C needs to learn to wait until the road is fully clear and not pull out on a car even if the car closest to them is turning.

Insurers could go 50/50. Which car are you OP?

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 09:49

OP doesn't say car A 'overtakes'. She says 'pulls round'.

Oysterbabe · 25/10/2022 09:50

Car C is at fault. If you're pulling out you need to make sure it's safe to do so.

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 09:51

BattleOfPastings · 25/10/2022 09:14

Ask yourself this

but for the actions of car A would there have been a crash?

This must be the stupidest statement in mumsnet I've ever read!

Beautiful3 · 25/10/2022 09:52

I worked in insurance. The person leaving a side road to join the main Rd is at fault. Because it was not clear when they joined it.

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 09:53

Midnights · 25/10/2022 09:18

Highway Code

"Rule 167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
• approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road"

She doesn't say A was overtaking, just pulling round a car turning into a junction. In other words carrying on their carriageway and pulling round the back of car B.

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 09:55

I'm sure OP was Car C.

Plingston · 25/10/2022 09:58

I'm guessing you're car C. I think car C would be found at fault by the insurance company but most people would think that car A was an idiot and sympathise with car C.

crochetmylifeaway · 25/10/2022 10:00

If car A overtook car B while it was turning then they are at fault. You should never overtake a car making a manoeuvre because things like this happen. Car C would have been able to complete their manoeuvre had car A not done an illegal manoeuvre.

Watapalava · 25/10/2022 10:00

id blame A

ImustLearn2Cook · 25/10/2022 10:00

@notmyrealmoniker I think you missed the end of the Op where it says that Car C says Car A is at fault as he was driving too fast and should not have over took Car B.

feckingusernames · 25/10/2022 10:03

Car C
As they are pulling out of a side road onto a main orad they have to make sure it's clear and safe to pull out

goldshimmerystar · 25/10/2022 10:05

A was going too fast, and on the wrong side of the road.

HavfrueDenizKisi · 25/10/2022 10:07

Car A.

That's usually how insurance will see it.

Friend of mine hit a car that pulled out of a side road. No other vehicles on the road. We assumed they'd be found not at fault as the other car had made an unsafe manoeuvre but they were found at fault as they should have anticipated that a car could pull out and approach with caution.

Thems the rules.

Clymene · 25/10/2022 10:07

It doesn't matter what A was doing. If you're pulling out if a junction, it's your responsibility to make sure it's clear and safe to do so. C didn't do that.

Clymene · 25/10/2022 10:07

HavfrueDenizKisi · 25/10/2022 10:07

Car A.

That's usually how insurance will see it.

Friend of mine hit a car that pulled out of a side road. No other vehicles on the road. We assumed they'd be found not at fault as the other car had made an unsafe manoeuvre but they were found at fault as they should have anticipated that a car could pull out and approach with caution.

Thems the rules.

They really aren't.

Zonder · 25/10/2022 10:08

Which car was yours OP?

ilukp · 25/10/2022 10:09

Car C should not have pulled out when the view was blocked by car B.

purplemunkey · 25/10/2022 10:09

It sounds to me like Car C would have crashed into Car A even if it wasn’t driving like a bellend. It would have been behind Car B rather than pulling around it. Car C should have pulled out until it was clear and safe to do so.

girlmom21 · 25/10/2022 10:10

HavfrueDenizKisi · 25/10/2022 10:07

Car A.

That's usually how insurance will see it.

Friend of mine hit a car that pulled out of a side road. No other vehicles on the road. We assumed they'd be found not at fault as the other car had made an unsafe manoeuvre but they were found at fault as they should have anticipated that a car could pull out and approach with caution.

Thems the rules.

Your friend must have been doing something other than just driving along at the speed limit to warrant being blamed for that.