Would you vote conservative again?

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I wouldn’t vote conservative again after the total shambles that have been the last 12 years. They’re constantly infighting rather than sorting out the economy and have left the NHS in a total mess. No care for people suffering from the cost of living crisis

These threads are so goadie. Start out with someone wanting to know whether you would vote Tori and then descending into personal insults and name calling.

And tbh if this is what votes for the opposition then you’re no better.

I’ve never voted for either of them. I wouldn’t vote tori now, but labour have no policies to Speak of so most people who vote labour are doing so because they don’t want to vote tori.

Personally I don’t think there’s a leader amongst the lot of them, so I will likely either spoil my ballot or just vote for one of the outsider parties or an independent.

That's all very well for you but someone has to pay for it .

The people would revolt if they were taught to think critically. That’s why they want you learning by rote in school. Anything where you get to think for yourself is dangerous to their way of life.

I'll vote Labour because I appreciate competence.

All they did was table a teeny weeny vote on fracking and the Conservative party imploded itself.

Somebody over there!s a bloody genius.

Let's have them running things please. This free market cut tax, cut spending ideology is clearly defunct.

@MayThe4th sorry but they are 'tories'. And to suggest 'labour have no policies' is just lazy.

Let average families keep more of their hard earned money so they can spend more and put back into the economy.

Last time I checked, that was a Tory pledge.

I agree with all your figures about wait times under a Labour government

The only problem was that whilst you were referred and had an appointment with someone within the given time. They were either the wrong person or they were useless and weren’t able to send you for the tests you needed
So as my physios (who was working on the wrong part of my body for 7 years leaving me unable to work or sleep and suicidal because of the constant pain) said
He liked the challenge of guessing what was wrong.
My consultant who never actually looked at me (and I mean looked in my direction) refused to do anything except recommend I needed a hip replacement and physio on my hip (I was too young for a hip replacement and was told I would have to wait till I was 60) I suppose if I had been over 60 at the time I would have got a hip replacement within 18 weeks. Even though there was nothing actually wrong with my hip.

Yes you were only in A&E for 4 hours (pre Covid that rule seem to still stand) But everything was a case of getting you out of A&E and into another part of the hospital where you waited there.

Over the last few years I have been in and out of hospital with Dh He has spent months at a time in hospital and we have witnessed the madness that constitutes routines. Just little things that are duplicated over and over that aren’t anything to do with medicine or care and cost probably pennies but X 100,000s X 365 add up.
If you point it out the response is the same. It’s what we have always done. Surely someone can see if you have always done the same thing and you are always short of money then you need to stop doing what you have always done.

We have seen things that should have happened being blamed on lack of funds However we would say that it had nothing to do with lack of money and more to do with incompetence and not listening to patients.
Listening costs nothing and might just end up saving a fortune.

The private consultant I saw listened to me. Took note of what I was saying and immediately looked at my back. No one had looked at my back in 7 years.

As I said listening costs nothing and would have probably saved the NHS alone £250,000

I have also not forgotten how many people on benefits increased under Gordon Brown. He actually stopped people from working by offering them more to stay at home doing nothing. Before benefits cap benefits were spiralling out of control.

Surely benefits should never be more than minimum wage x 40 hours per week. Otherwise it disincentives those on minimum wage to work. I still think benefits cap should be lower. Especially if no one on family works 40 hours.

Remember note left when they lost election? No money left. They had spent it all.

Anti seminism and not knowing what a woman is. The thought of allowing self identification.

Just could not force myself to vote Labour.

Some voters do that.

Some voters just "vote blue"

I wouldn't have been able to support my children if they had been capped at two children back then

The two children rule is fair. It's well known. You shouldn't be having 3 or more children if you cannot support them yourself. If the child was born prior to 2017, they can still claim an additional amount. That's fair.

“Either very very rich, very very stupid or just a cunt.”

That’s nice but not a surprising comment! The lefties lowering the tone as per usual.

Not 100% sure atm. I can’t forget the note that was left by ex-Treasury Chief Secretary “Sorry there is no money “

Yes, no alternative for me.

Cornettoninja
I don’t believe any other country has had to completely withdraw a ‘fiscal statement’

November 2021
Sweden's first ever female prime minister has resigned just hours after she was appointed.

Magdalena Andersson, was announced as leader on Wednesday but resigned after her coalition partner quit the government and her budget failed to pass.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59400539

Different year though @Clarinova. We were talking specifically about this period of global economics.

A suggested but not definite shortfall that could certainly be readdressed by a future Labour government wouldn't put me off - especially in view of the damage that the Tories have done over the last 12 years with their various economic and social experiments. In any event, I do still suspect that regardless of current opinion polls, Labour will have to discuss some kind of power sharing with other political parties that will necessitate compromise.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

This is based on YouGov opinion polling for the UK and Scotland which shows Labour would win 529 seats with a majority of 408, the SNP would become the second largest party with 51 seats and the Tories would be relegated to third having won only 30.
Bit optimistic for the Tories if you ask me.

Yes that was unnecessarily abusive but the condescending 'lefties' barb leads me to suspect that you may not be above sniping too.

All those who complain NHS is cash starved are wrong. The NHS waste far too much money. Last week I saw NHS has to pay £70 billion because of incompetent staff. My view is all NHS staff should have to buy personal insurance to practice. They should be paid sensible allowance to cover cost providing they have no successful claims against them. Tax payers money should not be spent paying for staff mistakes. No sackings ever follow either. So the same incompetent staff keep making same mistakes.

@caringcarer don't know where to start unpicking that. Gordon Brown happened 12 years ago. And funnily enough most economists suggest Brown and Darling acted sensibly during the 2008 meltdown, protecting the economy from further damage. Austerity inflicted by Cameron and Osborne was a disaster for many parts of the country and led to Brexit. Current mess is of Conservative making. There's no money left now. After 12 years Conservative economic prudence.

Yes, absolutely.

I couldn't vote for Starmer, Raynor or Lammy. One is a knighted multi-millionaire, hypocrite. Raynor is a foul-mouthed, hate-filled ideologue and Lammy is a racist.

One thing's for sure, Rachel Reeves did a very credible job of putting a nail in the coffin of Liz Truss in the HoC this week. I thought she is far more PM material than anyone in the Conservative Party at the moment!

Lammy did the dinosaur line re women too

How many of those mistakes are made because people are chronically overworked?

I really cant see what the problem is with calling people stupid or, ahem, deeply unpleasant if they vote Tory after everything that has gone on over the last few years.

People are poorer as a direct result of Brexit and now the so-called 'mini' fucking budget. Now they are all desperately hanging onto power when anyone with a shred of decency would have called a GE now, but they know they'll mostly lose their seats and power so they hang on. I don't know how any of their MPs are sleeping at night right now, I really don't. They have trashed our economy and turned us into an international laughing stock. And they are supposed to be the party of patriots? Fuck off.

We've essentially had no government since June because of their fucking around and the one bit of governing they did do cost us billions. Wtf?

And then people 'can't' vote LAbour because of a joke note written 12 years ago, because KS is bring and AR 'awful' or 'scary' (??), just because JC (even though he's not in the parliamentary party anymore, or they have no policies (they have), or they don't know what a woman is (I'm not happy with self-id, but Tories do fuck all for men, women or children unless they're hedge-fund managers, not these Tories anyway), or they want everyone on benefits (why the fuck would they want that?) or whatever other spurious reasons people can come up with.

And I'm especially sick of people saying 'the left' are nasty and it stops them voting Labour when the nastiest comments in our political discourse over the last few years have come from the right, time and again. The pile on of Diane Abbot over a canned cocktail on a train and one slip-up over numbers, all of Johnson's homophobic/racist comments, TM citizens of nowhere speech, lying they had put a ring around care homes when they sent people there to die, Rwanda, Braverman making digs about the wokerati in parliament, Andrea Jenkyns sticking up her finger up at the public she is meant to serve (!!!) ... But AR says 'Tory scum' then apologises and Emily Thornberry sends an ill-advised Tweet 12 years ago and somehow the left are the nasty ones.

Unless you are very wealthy it is unfathomable why anyone would vote Tory for a very long time to come.